[MD] Reifying carrots

[MarshaV]

On Sep 11, 2010, at 11:05 AM, David Thomas wrote:

> On 9/11/10 9:21 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> [Dave]
> The problem is that you have a propensity to shut down conversation with
> statements similar to this:
> 
>> That I am anti-intellectual is pure
>> calumny, an accusation made by a small mind.

I am getting quite tired of being called names because I think outside someone 
else's box.  I don't expect to be told that I am not permitted to use the 
word reification in my definition of the Intellectual Level, and I don't expect 
be told I am an idiot when I determine that truth within the MoQ is relative.   And 
I am sick of being told I am anti-intellectual because I think that RMP's 

	While sustaining biological and social patterns
	Kill all intellectual patterns.
	Kill them completely
	And then follow Dynamic Quality
	And morality will be served.

Is the key to actual awakening to the MoQ's highest point-of-view.  



> 
> Or your favorite:
> 
>> Not this, not that.

Yes it is my favorite.  It is my bottom line, and it is past speculation.  It is habit.   


> 
> When all I was trying to do is to point to is that:
> 
>> I also love the unpatterned,,,a lot.
> 
> According to the continuation videos by Scott is the very thing you are
> studying, your doing-reification. That is what it appears you to have done
> with of the concept "unpatterned". The Zen Oxherding pictures and poems as
> originally written stopped at eight.

So fudging what!  I like posting.  I like talking about unpatterned experience 
because I like saying that you don't need 50 years of training with an accomplished 
Master to have such experiences.   


> 
>> 8 / Both horse and self Forgotten / All delusive feeling have perished and
>> ideas of holiness too have vanished. He lingers not in [the state of “I am a]
>> Great Father” and passes quickly on through [ the stage of “ And now I have
>> purged myself of the proud feeling ‘I am] not the Great Father.” Even the
>> thousand eyes [ of five hundred Great Fathers and patriarchs] can discern in
>> him no specific quality. If hundreds of birds were now to strew flowers about
>> his teepee, he could not but feel ashamed of himself.
>> 
>> Whip, rope, Horse and man alike belong to Emptiness.
>> So vast and infinite the azure sky
>>    that no concept of any sort can reach it.
>> Over a blazing fire a snowflake cannot survive.
>> When this state of mind is realized.
>>    comes at last comprehension
>>    of the spirit of the ancient patriarchs.

I haven't the slightest idea what these sentences mean.  I am not a Buddhist 
or a Taoist, or a Christian, or a Zennie.  I guess I didn't need to know what 
these sentences meant, but then I never claimed enlightenment.  You like the 
above ideas, go for it, but it has nothing to do with my patterns.  


> Which was meant to represent "enlightenment." Been there, done that, all is
> perfect in the world and life.
> Later nine and ten were added to say what Scott is saying in both of "Is
> thought bad" and "Deconstructing Concepts" videos. Something to the effect
> that if you are reifying eight you are not at eight yet let alone at nine or
> ten. Only when you get past that do you have a chance of "going all the
> way."

There are many paths, Dave.  Can we allow for that?  I trust meditation and 
mindfulness.  Watching the mind is key in my understanding of experience. 
I can do without the patriarch stuff.   I offered the video because it gave a 
very good explanation of reification.  A reification that is key to my definition 
of the Intellectual Level being SOM.    


> 
> That is all I was trying to convey.
> 
> Dave
> 
> PS: Don't let the words like "horse" and "teepee" throw you. Years ago I
> converted the ten pictures to a Western theme to kind of tune it to RMP
> Montana stint. I also grabbed some Western Art off the web and tried
> correlate the images to the verse. But because of copyright issues it has to
> remain a private thingy.

Sounds wonderful!


Marsha 

 
 
 


 
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