[MD] Intellectual Level

[X Acto]

Your whole arguement denies the "many intellectual realities" position.
It denies that objective reification is a value pattern and asserts it as "how 
the brain works"
which is an objective reified assumption.

see how this denies your own position



 


----- Original Message ----
From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 7:39:59 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Intellectual Level


see below... 



On Sep 12, 2010, at 7:30 AM, X Acto wrote:

> Ok I think I get it
> 
> You are appealing to a dynamic unpatterned intellect
> 
> but if all thinking, as you suggest when you say that
> "reification is how the brain works" then there is no
> escape from it.
> 
> transcendance is literally impossible.(while alive) or being coherent
> in any kind of fashion.
> 
> because it would require one to cease 
> using the brain.
> 
> to then escape SOM we must revert to brainlessness.
> 
> But to assert this you must constantly contradict yourself intellectually.
> 
> the only way to a quality intellect is to stop using your brain become 
mindless
> 
> I'd say a good portion of the world is already on that track.
> 
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 5:07:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Intellectual Level
> 
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Understanding that that the way we deal with experience is:
> 
> 
> "... we 'seek and find, or project, a simplifying pattern to approximate every 

> complex field ... by lumping (ignoring some distinctions as negligible) and by 

> splitting (ignoring some relations as negligible). Both ... create discreet 
> entities useful for manipulating, predicting and controlling ... [but] may 
> impose ad hoc boundaries on what are actually densely interconnected systems 
>and 
>
> then grant autonomous existence to the segments' (p. 108). Even the contents of 
>
> our own consciousness have to be dealt with in this way, resulting in our array 
>
> of fragmented self-concepts, and we just put up with the anomalies that arise. 

> Buddhism, he explains, agrees that discovering entities is conventionally 
> indispensable, but attachment and aggression arise through reifying them, which 
>
> violates the principle that all things are interdependent, and all entities are 
>
> conditional approximations."  
> 
> 
> My understanding of the Intellectual Level as SOM is:  
> 
> While the MoQ represents Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience.)  
>
> Intellectual Static Patterns of Value (experiences) are reified concepts and 
>the 
>
> rules for their rational analysis and manipulation.  Intellectual patterns 
> process from a subject/object conceptual framework creating false boundaries 
> that give the illusion of independence as a “thing” or an “object of 
>analysis.”  
>
> The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the 
>paramount 
>
> demand is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free from the corruption 

> of any subjectivity.
> 



Then:  

"... One can then examine intellectual realities the same way he examines 
paintings in an art gallery, not with an effort to find out which one is the 
‘real’ painting, but simply to enjoy and keep those that are of value. There are 
many sets of intellectual reality in existence and we can perceive some to have 
more quality than others, but that we do so is, in part, the result of our 
history and current patterns of values. 

  (RMP,LILA,Chapter 8)







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