[MD] How far do you go to preserve individual life?

[Platt Holden]

Magnus,

If you say stacks solve the ethical problem described by the two scientists,
could you tell us what the solution is?

Thanks.






On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Magnus Berg <McMagnus at home.se> wrote:

> Platt
>
> As I hope you remember, I've resolved your seemingly right-wing arguments
> within the MoQ before, and this time it's even easier.
>
> This time, I have stacks. I had them in the past as well but now we both
> know what the term means, more or less anyway.
>
> A human is made in one stack, bones, flesh, cells, nerve signals and brain.
> All four levels wrapped in a small package.
>
> Our society however, doesn't have intellect on its own. The society stack
> consists of houses, humans, language and government. It uses the intellect
> of its human inhabitants.
>
> That's why the MoQ *seems* to have the problem you see, but if we dig
> deeper and use the stacks, we see it doesn't.
>
> Mystery solved, next question.
>
>        Magnus
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2010-09-14 01:44, plattholden at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Horse,
>> Thanks for the further explanation. If you don't want me to use the term
>> "death
>> panel" in referring to a government body that decides who lives and who
>> dies,
>> I'll comply. I think it's an accurate description, but if you find it
>> contrary
>> to fact and unduly "provocative," so be it. There's no doubt in my mind
>> that
>> the content of this site is your province to run as you see fit.
>>
>> I was hoping there could be a discussion based on what two distinguished
>> scientists agreed was "the most difficult ethical question facing science
>> today." I thought the question was particularly relevant to this group
>> because
>> Pirsig said that SOM science has "no provision for morals." But, here are
>> two
>> scientists who apparently believe it's a question science has some
>> authority in
>> answering, contradicting the thrust of the MOQ.
>>
>> So far only Ian has offered to debate "how much 'rights' (to health care)
>> an
>> MOQ argument would support." That's OK by me, but why not go further and
>> explored the MOQ in terms of who decides who lives and who dies under a
>> government funded health system? That seems to me to be the crux of the
>> issue
>> posed by the two scientists, and an issue an "Inquiry in Morals" should
>> address.
>>
>> Platt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13 Sep 2010 at 23:02, Horse wrote:
>>
>>    Platt
>>>
>>> For your information I am the main person objecting to use of the term
>>> death panels for the reasons I gave earlier. Do you have a problem with
>>> that?
>>> I'm sure others also object to it but that's not altogether relevant.
>>> Your use of this term now and in the past has been purely provocative
>>> and, as I said earlier, is for propaganda and emotive purposes.
>>> Stupidly, I actually expect better from members of this forum than
>>> childish attempts to provoke and aggravate other members with comments
>>> like this. I'm not singling you out deliberately Platt because there are
>>> other members of this forum who continually do exactly the same.
>>> This forum is intended for intelligent people who wish to discuss,
>>> rationally and reasonably, what many consider to be an important and
>>> worthwhile philosophical position but is increasingly becoming like a
>>> junior school playground. Cheap shots and snide remarks are more
>>> prevalent recently than intelligent comment and debate.
>>> I don't like it and will make it known in future if members are not
>>> prepared to act and contribute in a reasonable manner.
>>> For Christ's sake I'm not expecting you to all kiss each others arse's,
>>> just behave like human beings that possess brains!!
>>>
>>> Remember this:
>>> "And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
>>> 'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!"
>>>
>>>
>>> Horse
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13/09/2010 22:33, Platt Holden wrote:
>>>
>>>> When one judges the validity of argument, particularly regarding a
>>>> matter of
>>>> interpretation, do you not consider the source? I do.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Ian<ian.glendinning at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Platt,
>>>>> Who cares "who" was making the objection, so long as the argument
>>>>> remains
>>>>> valid ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13 Sep 2010, at 21:50, Platt Holden<plattholden at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Thanks for the reference. I shall do as you suggest to see who was
>>>>> raising
>>>>>
>>>>>> objections to the term, "death panel.".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Platt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm saying that your use of the term is both propaganda and emotive
>>>>>>> nonsense.
>>>>>>>
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