[MD] Where I'm at [Administrator Message]

Wed Sep 15 14:19:00 PDT 2010

Of course i was reading this , Dan, and i think you deserve a differentiated
reflection based upon the case's evidence.
I have no intention what so ever to serve you some crap or a product that is
immature , i have to think about your tips, your
effort to grow on the path of quality, your effort not to leave the path of
quality.

I will take in concideration Lila's child, all previous postings on moq, all
comments, all efforts.
In reflection of your lead's on Bo, ; ..i will reconcider myself, and make
the weight of my case, my opinion.
I will come clean on Bo and your impressions.

It will take me some time , some days, to reconcider and decide.

I need some time to ripen the product, and i will take it , your entitled to
it.
greetzz, Adrie

2010/9/15 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>

> Hello everyone
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:24 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello Dan, Thanks for the appearance, i still remember your last posting
> > about the book of changes , and the constructive proposals,
> > and the moment after that , few days later i think , you'v got extremely
> > pissed at Bodvar re-appearance here , posting a total incomprihensible
> > drivelmostruosity, i still see your words in my mind , saying that you
> would
> > wish us all sayonara...
> > I was very pissed that you were so dissapointed.Glad you'r back.
>
> Dan:
> Bodvar is an old friend; we go way back. I wasn't exactly pissed...
> frustrated might be a better word. And I don't like nonsense.
>
>
> >Adrie:
> > Thx for reading in on  the roll-out of  postings
> > First , i agree with DMB, Arlo, Horse.
> > Horse own's a positive injunctionright, his toolbox to interfere is
> lesser
> > filled than members that are lesser bound, lesser committed.
> >
> > I agree with this peoples content and context. Solid stuff.
> >
> > I hope to have a good influence on JC's case, i like him, and our
> attitude
> > here in Europe towards the great problems of life, as he is encountering,
> is
> > slightly different than in America.
> > Belgians are very open minded, we talk about our trouble's very easy
> among
> > each-other.
> > So my optic is to help him to reboot himself, jumpstart him if possible,
> I
> > think its time for him to act.
> >
> > Try to see it in my perspective, he lost his job, wife and now maybe his
> > house, maybe he is enhancing it a little bit, but in the core
> > it looks genuine. Did he derail? yes, clearly-and needed some recognition
> > probably.
> > Was he off-scale in the postings? yes he was ......But nothing of the
> human
> > spirit is strange to me. Everybody will recognise a lesser moment.
> > By being here among friends, in this list , he became part of the
> product,
> > part of the matter, part of the question.
>
> Dan:
> I understand. I like John and Lu a great deal. But, like dmb, I am not
> sure the Internet is the place. Let's face it... we all have problems.
> I can recite a list if you'd like. But I prefer to carry my own water.
>
> Adrie:
> > So it is not entirely unnatural that he seeks at least a part of the
> > solution here.....and i tend to think that a part of the solution is
> truly
> > residing here in The moq, the presence of the material, the presence of
> the
> > knowledge, the impacting power of other listers...
>
> Dan:
> Forgive me, but it seems to me such a solution would be better found
> in the presence of loved ones, not on an Internet discussion group.
>
> >Adrie:
> > Did i just declare him innocent and holier than the pope, ...Nope,The
> > beginning of the conflict with DMb was induced by him...
> > And Dave was very hard on him, but honestly, my opinion is that it was
> > nessesary to confront him with the matters in front of him,
> > i did the same thing ,to serve the purpose to help him.
> > Dave's outlisted mail was clearly meant not to deface him in the public
> > domain. It was a hard but solid approach.
>
> Dan:
> Any conflict between John and dmb is just that... between John and
> dmb. I happen to agree more with dmb's side of things but that may
> only be on account of our long association. John is a relatively new
> member while dmb and myself go back a dozen years or so.
>
> >
> >Adrie:
> > Clearly he took as well the medicine from Dave, as mine,and honoured it
> with
> > switching to a more solid attitude.
> > Yesterday he produced a very nice posting, very nicely written, showing
> out
> > that he has talent as a narrator and value as a
> > content providing member. I like to have him within the thinktank of this
> > list.
> >
> > I left out some things , bit shortcutting, but you'r all capable of
> making
> > the correct associations and abstractions.
> >
> >
> > Wat really worries me , is that another listmember is launching threads
> > about the questions of death panels, the questions of death,
> > The choice of death-,,the choice to die or to live, the answers of the
> moq
> > on this matter, or the non-answers? at the same moments of
> > Jc encountering this loosing of his job, wife, maybe house, clearly
> > derailing-----
>
> Dan:
> Platt is our resident Conservative. He is harmless, mostly. Most of
> his posts seem designed to get a rise out of people rather than an
> effort at discussion, which is too bad. He is very intelligent. I am
> unsure that his post had anything to do with John's but who knows?
>
> >Adrie:
> > Nobody here dares to say it out loud , but this member is
> > suggesting/autosuggesting to THINK about the death question on this
> moments.
> >
> > The launch of this thread is no coincidence in my opinion.
> > I have no intention what so ever to call this a criminal intention, and i
> do
> > not want to imply it, as i can see it , the religious call out there
> > to herd JC back to the flock before he leaves...is prominent and implied
> by
> > suggestion/autosuggestion.
> >
> > But religion or the question of death are not the issue now, the real
> issue
> > is this imho
> > Newly emerging listquality in content an context is aborted sideways by
> > contaminating the conversations in a structured way
> > and in a structured attack, guided in the background of the listnoise.
> > The use of shredded monologue's, re-shredded monologue's, omitted mails
> is
> > not feared.....as a tool.
> > It is only some weeks ago that this environment, what i call a thinktank,
> > looked like a freakshow.
> > FREAKSHOWS are launched by freaks, because that is what they do.and a
> freak
> > will always stay a freak.
>
> Dan:
> If I understand you correctly, this is why I got a bit miffed with
> Bodvar. He seemed to have a habit of "hijacking" threads and turning
> them into his own personal attacks on the MOQ. It was some weeks ago,
> if I remember, that virtually every thread ended with Bodvar
> admonishing us that his SOL was the "one true MOQ".
>
> Now, you and some of the newer member may not realize it, but us older
> members have put up with that nonsense for years and years. And it is
> nonsense. It polluted the discussion group to the point that I was
> ready to leave, and I imagine other members may have felt the same
> way.
>
> >Adrie:
> > Rest me to say, Dan, that quality is on the horizon, and i'm pointing out
> > towards DMB's proposals to open the fields of congruence,
> > to explore unseen matter and evidence, people here should honour Dave for
> > all the work he is doing to show material and expirience.
>
> Dan:
> I think the discussion group is fortunate indeed to have contributors
> like David Buchanan. His posts are first-rate and his thinking seems
> to be continually evolving rather than stagnating, as so many
> contributors tend towards.
>
> >Adrie:
> > Does this imply that to stay alive in a pond full of croc's, one has to
> stay
> > friends with the master croc?, no...but do not try to
> > kill the master croc,....maybe its your friend and guardian.
>
> Dan:
> You never know who's got your back, it's true.
>
>
> >
> > THx for reading this Dan
> > Adrie
>
> You're welcome. Thank you for writing.
>
> Dan
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