[MD] Reifying carrots

Sat Sep 18 10:43:49 PDT 2010

nice reply.
i do not own a conquered field of knowledge, but the field of knowlegde is
asking to be conquered.
for the little details, wiki shows very little contamination or distortion,
btw , i worked on a lot of pages
But i use a pen name; maybe i will tell you all about it sometime, i see a
lot of improvement in your postings.

I still remember a conversation you made about the bees , the county's
providing support for bee-keeping and stuff
still remember i liked it , very native, pure.Stay good Marsha.

i took note of your points.

2010/9/18 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>

>
> Adrie,
>
> Please note that the address to the full text for both book reviews and
> response were available for further research.  I was misleading no one.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2010, at 12:51 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
>
> > so what i meant to say , marsha, is that your article lead is leading
> people
> > to things like this
> > We really need to stay in tune with all off this material , Marsha, i
> really
> > think we need to pay attention.
> > If whe start stepping over details, we have no case, we cannot go to the
> > forrest if there are no trees.
> >
> >
> > Quote ANT PIRSIG,
> > Ant:
> > Yes, I think it is, though I’m not too sure about the “illusion” part;
> > “appearance” might be a better word. Anyway (in the context of the
> > SODV paper), this is what Pirsig wrote to me about space:
> > “I have thought about Bell’s theorem and what it might mean for
> > the MOQ and so far have concluded that this theorem is just more of
> > the same subject/object mess. ‘Local’ and ‘non-local’ presume a
> > physical space. Physical space is a subjective intellectual pattern,
> > which is presumed to correspond to an objective inorganic pattern.
> > These patterns are so entrenched they are some of the last to disappear
> > during the enlightenment process, but before pure Dynamic Quality is
> > understood they must go. The ‘nothingness’ of Buddhism has nothing
> > to do with the ‘nothingness’ of physical space. That’s one of the
> > advantages in calling it ‘Quality’ instead of ‘nothingness.’ It reduces
> > the confusion.” (Letter to Ant, June 1st 1996)
> >
> >
> >
> > shit , i forgot to EXALT it a little bit
> >
> >
> > 2010/9/18 ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com>
> >
> >> EMPHASED!!
> >>
> >> 2010/9/18 ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> "Exalt , well , no, i emhased it virtually to show the point that
> article's
> >>> like this contain
> >>> falsifications 'an sich' embedded or by association with occult
> science.
> >>>
> >>> -concider it or don't, well, leads like this are taking other people
> >>> towards the article without pointing out
> >>> towards the conflicting matters. probably you were not aware of this ,
> and
> >>> probably people following the lead
> >>> are not , but leaving a part out of its contexts in this way is
> dangerous
> >>> and arose my suspicion.
> >>>
> >>> And of course , no , i am not a physician, i never said i was , i work
> in
> >>> a car factory,with my  hands.
> >>> But i'm better than a shitload of them.I was studying all the books you
> >>> see, and i think its a good idea
> >>> for you to do so, this is encouraging.
> >>> Its not a very good idea to jump over the material.
> >>>
> >>> Like the Bell's theoreme,one has to be aware of all this kind of
> >>> contamination.
> >>>
> >>> Greetz, the log lady, Burps!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2010/9/18 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Adrie,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I've posted a lot of stuff.  Consider it or don't.  Maybe the book
> >>>> will arrive today, and I will have more to post.
> >>>>
> >>>> By the way, are you a physicist?   And why you exalt what
> >>>> you point out?   I don't.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Marsha
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 11:13 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> But you forgot the rest of the article Marsha
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I isolated a part from the article further on as i am very good in
> >>>> Nonlocal
> >>>>> &local reality's.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> comment on isolated part
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Their treatment of two-slit interference ranks right up there with
> (but
> >>>>> differs interestingly from) Feynman’s famous “comes in lumps”
> approach,
> >>>> and
> >>>>> their nontechnical description of Bell’s theorem is one of the best
> >>>> I’ve
> >>>>> seen, and by far the least mathematical.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3 problems
> >>>>> trying to ridicule Feynman is not a very good idea, this is adressed
> at
> >>>> the
> >>>>> autor.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Bell theorem.
> >>>>> The theorem is specifically rejected by most of the scientifical
> >>>>> world,because its a limp home formula.
> >>>>> it is under controverse since it was stated.Its rubbish.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> MR PIRSIG, specifically rejects the theoreme, in one of his
> annotations
> >>>> on
> >>>>> LILA'S CHILD,in a earlier stage of history.
> >>>>> He recognised very early that it was crap, and i happen to agree with
> >>>> him
> >>>>> and 99% of science.
> >>>>> PIRSIG rejects it for a reason, this is very easy to find back.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nb, i was already pointing out in a conversation with Mr Buchanan,
> some
> >>>> time
> >>>>> ago, that PIRSIG rejects the theoreme
> >>>>>     It is still to be found back in the archives, or in the
> >>>> annotations
> >>>>> made upon LILA.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> this is only 1 leech to kill, there are more in the article...
> >>>>> sincerely yours , Pontius PILATUS, landlord of judea, the man on the
> >>>>> mountain.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/9/18 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> from American Journal of Physics Review of Quantum Enigma:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Take space-time, for example. We organize our perceptions into
> events,
> >>>> and
> >>>>>> for many purposes it is illuminating to represent those events as
> >>>> points in
> >>>>>> an abstract four-dimensional continuum. This is so useful that most
> of
> >>>> us
> >>>>>> reify this abstract scheme, believing that we inhabit a world that
> is
> >>>> such a
> >>>>>> four- (or, for a few of us, ten-) dimensional continuum. The
> >>>> reification of
> >>>>>> abstract time and space goes so far back in human history that it’s
> >>>> easy to
> >>>>>> miss the intellectual sleight of hand. The reification of electric
> and
> >>>>>> magnetic fields is more recent but also came to be taken for
> granted,
> >>>> until
> >>>>>> it started to unravel (for some of us) with the arrival of quantum
> >>>>>> electrodynamics. The strongest hints of how we have been fooling
> >>>> ourselves
> >>>>>> emerge when we try to reify quantum states, and thereby run into
> “the
> >>>>>> measurement problem” and “quantum nonlocality.”
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://quantumenigma.com/reviews-our-responses/
> >>>>>>
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