[MD] Intellectual Level

[MarshaV]

"As mentioned above, Pirsig considers any philosophy that asserts that 
reality is composed from mind or matter or a combination of both is an 
SOM philosophy."   
   (McWatt, Anthony,'A Critical Analysis of Robert Pirsig’s Metaphysics of Quality',2005)   



On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:47 PM, MarshaV wrote:

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> Adrie,
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> In my definition, intellectual patterns of value are still patterns of value, all 
> value, they are still conceptually constructed.  I am describing how they 
> function.  
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> Marsha 
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> On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:33 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
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>> Yes , Dave , this is opening the toolbox of the moq, this is showing us the
>> tools inside , this is the core.
>> You arrived at the point as where Pheadrus is reading back James's books in
>> the end of LILA, aware of the fact that he found the grail
>> He arrived at the secret of the Giant so to speak. The expirience itself as
>> entity, Quality.
>> Best ever , Dave i'll print it.Thanks.
>> 
>> 2010/9/18 david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
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>>> 
>>> Marsha's definition:
>>> Within the MoQ, fourth level, the Intellectual Level, is comprised of
>>> intellectual static patterns of value. The way that these patterns function
>>> is as reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and
>>> manipulation. Reification decontextualizes. Intellectual patterns process
>>> from a subject/object conceptual framework creating false boundaries that
>>> give the illusion of independence as a “thing” or an “object of analysis.”
>>> The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the
>>> paramount demand is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free from
>>> the taint of any subjectivity.
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>>> dmb's alternative:
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>>> According to the MOQ, the intellectual level includes all intellectual
>>> static patterns and all intellectual thought styles, such as classical and
>>> romantic for example. These patterns are derived from experience and their
>>> veracity depends on their ability to function in experience. The MOQ's
>>> reconceptualization of the intellect is predicated on a rejection of
>>> subject-object metaphysics, the conceptual framework that reifies subjects
>>> and objects. (The MOQ says subjects and objects are concepts, not entities.)
>>> Unlike SOM, where the paramount demand is for objectivity and disinterested
>>> observation, the MOQ's fourth level gives us an expanded form of rationality
>>> that includes feelings, passions, alternate modes of consciousness and all
>>> the other categories of experience formerly dismissed as "merely"
>>> subjective.
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