[MD] Quantum Enigma

[MarshaV]

Adrie,

There are ten will-considered interpretations of quantum physics presented.  Are you going to tell me that David Bohm had it solved:  end-of-story?  Maybe you think that all biological and psychological processes will reduce to the laws of physics:  no need to read further concerning consciousness?   Or maybe you have decided that this book is not on the approved list of MoQ suggested reading?  What's up Adrie?  -  To me the book seems like a very legitimate introduction and survey of present quantum enigmas.  I cannot understand why you disapprove.   


Marsha 




On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:21 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:

> same page....
> 
> 
>  "Our concern is with the"consciousness" central to the quantum
> enigma---the awareness that appears to affect physical reality.  We do not
> necessarily imply that consciousness is a "physical thing" that "reaches
> out" and does something physical.
> 
> 
> (((((()))))))) We are describing an enigma, not proposing a
> solution."(((((((())))))))))),?,?
> 
> 
> Okay, okay, I'll stop..
> 
> 2010/9/27 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> 
>> 
>> same page....
>> 
>> 
>>  "Our concern is with the"consciousness" central to the quantum
>> enigma---the awareness that appears to affect physical reality.  We do not
>> necessarily imply that consciousness is a "physical thing" that "reaches
>> out" and does something physical.  We are describing an enigma, not
>> proposing a solution."
>> 
>> 
>> Okay, okay, I'll stop...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 8:49 AM, MarshaV wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  "We have talked about consciousness but have never fully defined it.
>> Dictionary definitions of "consciousness" are little better than those for
>> "physics."  We've been using "consciousness" as roughly equivalent to
>> "awareness." or perhaps the _feeling_ of awareness.  It certainly includes
>> the perception of free will.  Our use of the term "consciousness" is that
>> standard in the treatment of the quantum measurement problem.  (In any
>> event, as Humpty Dumpty told Alice:  "When I use a word . . . it means just
>> what I choose it to mean," and the philosopher Wittgenstein would more or
>> less agree.)
>>> 
>>>  "It is often pointed out that we can know of the existence of
>> consciousness in _no_ other way than through our first-person feeling of
>> awareness or the second-person reports of others.  (In the following chapter
>> we suggest a quantum challenge to this limitation.)
>>> 
>>>  "We will not refer to many of the things found in discussions of
>> consciousness from a psychological point of view.  For example, we will not
>> talk of optical illusions, mental disturbances, self-consciousness, or
>> Freud's seat of hidden emotions,  the _unconscious."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> (Rosenblum & Kuttner,'Quantum Enigma: Physics Encounters
>> Consciousness', p.172,2006)
>>> 
>>> 
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