[MD] Quantum Enigma

[MarshaV]

Thanks.  It's an interesting book.   - m  
 
 
 
On Sep 27, 2010, at 10:15 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:

> Oh , But i don't disaprove,But be carefull with it , its a bit of a
> minefield, keep your eye's open
> Keep an open mind.
> I don't decide anything,the path of growth is your's to walk, Eagle's fly
> solo.
> 
> 2010/9/27 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> 
>> 
>> Adrie,
>> 
>> There are ten will-considered interpretations of quantum physics presented.
>> Are you going to tell me that David Bohm had it solved:  end-of-story?
>> Maybe you think that all biological and psychological processes will reduce
>> to the laws of physics:  no need to read further concerning consciousness?
>> Or maybe you have decided that this book is not on the approved list of MoQ
>> suggested reading?  What's up Adrie?  -  To me the book seems like a very
>> legitimate introduction and survey of present quantum enigmas.  I cannot
>> understand why you disapprove.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 12:21 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
>> 
>>> same page....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Our concern is with the"consciousness" central to the quantum
>>> enigma---the awareness that appears to affect physical reality.  We do
>> not
>>> necessarily imply that consciousness is a "physical thing" that "reaches
>>> out" and does something physical.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (((((()))))))) We are describing an enigma, not proposing a
>>> solution."(((((((())))))))))),?,?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Okay, okay, I'll stop..
>>> 
>>> 2010/9/27 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> same page....
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "Our concern is with the"consciousness" central to the quantum
>>>> enigma---the awareness that appears to affect physical reality.  We do
>> not
>>>> necessarily imply that consciousness is a "physical thing" that "reaches
>>>> out" and does something physical.  We are describing an enigma, not
>>>> proposing a solution."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Okay, okay, I'll stop...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 8:49 AM, MarshaV wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "We have talked about consciousness but have never fully defined it.
>>>> Dictionary definitions of "consciousness" are little better than those
>> for
>>>> "physics."  We've been using "consciousness" as roughly equivalent to
>>>> "awareness." or perhaps the _feeling_ of awareness.  It certainly
>> includes
>>>> the perception of free will.  Our use of the term "consciousness" is
>> that
>>>> standard in the treatment of the quantum measurement problem.  (In any
>>>> event, as Humpty Dumpty told Alice:  "When I use a word . . . it means
>> just
>>>> what I choose it to mean," and the philosopher Wittgenstein would more
>> or
>>>> less agree.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> "It is often pointed out that we can know of the existence of
>>>> consciousness in _no_ other way than through our first-person feeling of
>>>> awareness or the second-person reports of others.  (In the following
>> chapter
>>>> we suggest a quantum challenge to this limitation.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> "We will not refer to many of the things found in discussions of
>>>> consciousness from a psychological point of view.  For example, we will
>> not
>>>> talk of optical illusions, mental disturbances, self-consciousness, or
>>>> Freud's seat of hidden emotions,  the _unconscious."
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> (Rosenblum & Kuttner,'Quantum Enigma: Physics Encounters
>>>> Consciousness', p.172,2006)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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