[MD] Quantum Enigma

[MarshaV]

And what is gravity?   



On Sep 28, 2010, at 1:28 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:

> Voices are whispering in the background scenery of science, Marsha,...maybe
> the spin is the parent of gravity.
> Rumours!
> 
> 2010/9/28 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> 
>> 
>> Ian,
>> 
>> Wouldn't it be fun to be a fly on the wall at that conference!
>> 
>> The book is interesting.  It's an introduction and survey, and at this
>> point perfect for my amateur understanding.  I've gone through four
>> lecture series on various aspects of quantum science (for non-scientists),
>> and this is the first presentation of the quantum enigma, and in a clear
>> voice.  It's thrilling.  I would listen to the professor lecturing and want
>> to
>> throw things at them, because they spoke as if their words were fact
>> beyond question.  This book was a pleasant relief from scientific
>> materialism:  "Spin is not just mathematical equations, it's real!"
>> 
>> Good book!
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> 
>>> An interesting sounding book. I see Dave and others have pointed you
>>> to the many "Mary the Colour Scientist" / Qualia references.
>>> 
>>> You should also note that Chalmers was previously a star part of the
>>> Arizona "Science of Consciousness" brigade - with Hofstader and
>>> Hameroff and others - the wedding of quantum science with neuroscience
>>> and philosophy has been pretty much their whole agenda for 15 years
>>> (since almost exactly the same moment Pirsig was involved in the
>>> Einstein meets Magritte conference.) I notice also that Buddhism is on
>>> the agenda for their next conference. What goes around comes around.
>>> 
>>> Ian
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:09 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dave,
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe when quantum philosophy weds Neurophilosophy?  What kind of
>>>> circumstances will cause that divine marriage?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> p.s. For those fans of Noam Chomsky.  He's being interviewed today on
>> the
>>>> PRI program 'On Point."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:31 AM, David Thomas wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/28/10 9:48 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you had a point to make other than to show me how much I do not
>> know,
>>>>>> please explain it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was only pointing to other takes on the "Mary" thought experiment
>> that
>>>>> might clear up (or add) to your puzzlement.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do think though that attempts by science and philosophy to
>> simultaneously
>>>>> solve the "hard problems" of "Quantum Enigma" and "Consciousness
>> Enigma" are
>>>>> doomed to fail philosophically until the science in both fields
>> advances. I
>>>>> also think part of the reason behind the claim that "philosophy is
>> dead" is
>>>>> that the specialized areas of science are so varied and technically
>>>>> difficult in the domains of the "hard problems" that no individual
>>>>> philosopher, short of a savant, can acquire the detailed depth of
>>>>> understanding necessary in each of the scientific fields required to be
>> able
>>>>> to integrate their advances into a coherent whole. It will have to be a
>>>>> combined effort.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
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