[MD] Quantum Enigma

[MarshaV]

A reified I-don't-know?   


On Sep 28, 2010, at 1:43 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:

> nobody knows!
> 
> 2010/9/28 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> 
>> 
>> And what is gravity?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 1:28 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
>> 
>>> Voices are whispering in the background scenery of science,
>> Marsha,...maybe
>>> the spin is the parent of gravity.
>>> Rumours!
>>> 
>>> 2010/9/28 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ian,
>>>> 
>>>> Wouldn't it be fun to be a fly on the wall at that conference!
>>>> 
>>>> The book is interesting.  It's an introduction and survey, and at this
>>>> point perfect for my amateur understanding.  I've gone through four
>>>> lecture series on various aspects of quantum science (for
>> non-scientists),
>>>> and this is the first presentation of the quantum enigma, and in a clear
>>>> voice.  It's thrilling.  I would listen to the professor lecturing and
>> want
>>>> to
>>>> throw things at them, because they spoke as if their words were fact
>>>> beyond question.  This book was a pleasant relief from scientific
>>>> materialism:  "Spin is not just mathematical equations, it's real!"
>>>> 
>>>> Good book!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>>> 
>>>>> An interesting sounding book. I see Dave and others have pointed you
>>>>> to the many "Mary the Colour Scientist" / Qualia references.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You should also note that Chalmers was previously a star part of the
>>>>> Arizona "Science of Consciousness" brigade - with Hofstader and
>>>>> Hameroff and others - the wedding of quantum science with neuroscience
>>>>> and philosophy has been pretty much their whole agenda for 15 years
>>>>> (since almost exactly the same moment Pirsig was involved in the
>>>>> Einstein meets Magritte conference.) I notice also that Buddhism is on
>>>>> the agenda for their next conference. What goes around comes around.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ian
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:09 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe when quantum philosophy weds Neurophilosophy?  What kind of
>>>>>> circumstances will cause that divine marriage?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> p.s. For those fans of Noam Chomsky.  He's being interviewed today on
>>>> the
>>>>>> PRI program 'On Point."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:31 AM, David Thomas wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9/28/10 9:48 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you had a point to make other than to show me how much I do not
>>>> know,
>>>>>>>> please explain it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I was only pointing to other takes on the "Mary" thought experiment
>>>> that
>>>>>>> might clear up (or add) to your puzzlement.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I do think though that attempts by science and philosophy to
>>>> simultaneously
>>>>>>> solve the "hard problems" of "Quantum Enigma" and "Consciousness
>>>> Enigma" are
>>>>>>> doomed to fail philosophically until the science in both fields
>>>> advances. I
>>>>>>> also think part of the reason behind the claim that "philosophy is
>>>> dead" is
>>>>>>> that the specialized areas of science are so varied and technically
>>>>>>> difficult in the domains of the "hard problems" that no individual
>>>>>>> philosopher, short of a savant, can acquire the detailed depth of
>>>>>>> understanding necessary in each of the scientific fields required to
>> be
>>>> able
>>>>>>> to integrate their advances into a coherent whole. It will have to be
>> a
>>>>>>> combined effort.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>> 
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