[MD] [Bulk] Re: MOQ and Completeness Theories (Sorry, Godel.)

[MarshaV]

Can't help the pronouns.  Please forgive...   And ignore...   




 
On Apr 1, 2011, at 5:42 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:

> It's not about you Marsha,
> The post you trampled over with five responses about you, was actually
> about 5, 6 or more people, MD in fact.
> Ian
> 
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 10:35 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I love you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2011, at 5:34 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>> 
>>> Marsha,
>>> Tell me something (useful) that I don't know.
>>> Ian
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 10:32 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ian,
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Arlo Bensinger wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> "In fact, when proposed that I could perhaps interpret ZMM and Lila in a way different from some, this was also met with incredulity.  Any good book has multiple interpretations, and nobody has rights to the correct interpretation." (Marsha)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This quote is not something I ever stated.  Arlo is mistaken when
>>>> citing me at its source.  Another 'oops' mistake.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 1, 2011, at 4:59 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Arlo, Mark, Mary, Marsha, DMB,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mary called it an "entre" I call it between a rock and hard place.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark said to Arlo "Get a grip".
>>>>> I have to say I've had that sentiment in this (and similar) thread for a while.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And the others interpreted each others quotes. thus :
>>>>> 
>>>>> Arlo quoted Marsha:
>>>>> "In fact, when proposed that I could perhaps interpret ZMM and Lila in
>>>>> a way different from some, this was also met with incredulity.  Any
>>>>> good book has multiple interpretations, and nobody has rights to the
>>>>> correct interpretation."
>>>>> Arlo said:
>>>>> ... I think a sentiment like "it's all interpretation" is readily
>>>>> evident. In a world where nobody has rights to the correct
>>>>> interpretation, please tell me how Ron's "interpretation" of Pirsig's
>>>>> MOQ supporting rape and torture would be dismissed?
>>>>> 
>>>>> dmb says:
>>>>> I guess Marsha thinks that interpretive freedom means never having to
>>>>> answer any criticism. It means you don't have to worry about making
>>>>> sense. Imagine how much work that would save! How how lonely that
>>>>> would be.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ian says, I just want to bring this debate up a level, it's all so
>>>>> interpersonal, and as Mary suggests you have to question people's
>>>>> motives in the twisted sarcsasm before even looking at the words and
>>>>> the subject matter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ian
>>>>> What's so funny 'bout ....
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Mary <marysonthego at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Arlo,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pretty late for me on a 'school' night, but your excellent post deserves a
>>>>>> response - quickly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [Mary]
>>>>>> I disagree with your interpretation of Bo's interpretation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [Arlo]
>>>>>> I can tell by this start, that we are going to be in a big disagreement.
>>>>>> This sort of "everything is interpretation" type thinking (and no, that is
>>>>>> not a quote of anyone) is really faulty, and I argue is very stuck in pure
>>>>>> subjectivism.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [Mary now]
>>>>>> Of course it is stuck in subjectivism.  Absolutely!  Remember, I am one who
>>>>>> thinks the Intellectual Level is SOM all the way, for all of us, all the
>>>>>> time.  I happen to think that anyone unwilling to admit that is kidding
>>>>>> themselves - and I see you, DMB, Andre, and Dan kidding yourselves daily
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