[MD] [Bulk] Re: MOQ and Completeness Theories (Sorry, Godel.)

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:
> [Dan]
> BTW, I thought we were done with this SOM as intellect bullshit. Did you not
> get Horse's memo?
>
> [Arlo]
> The topic is up, my fault, as a derivative of my argumentation against the idea
> that "its all interpretation" (not a quote of anyone, a summation of ideas
> expressed). I've been trying to keep it not about Bo's ideas in particular, but
> about the ideas of "interpretation" in general, and how the views about
> "interpretation" expressed are those reflecting the very subjectivism Pirsig
> had sought to overcome.
>
> And, I think broadly, several seem to suggest that evolution of ideas comes
> from "reinterpreting" what someone has said, that Pirsig's ideas will have more
> strength if we subsequently reassess what he "meant to say", where I feel
> strongly that ideas evolve first through clarity and then through agreement and
> disagreement, and finally into something new.
>
> Pirsig, for example, did not seek to "reinterpret" what Aristotle said, he
> first sought to understand it, and then finding disagreement he formulated
> something new. He did not make Aristotle a weak-interpreter of Aristotle, nor
> did he claim Aristotle's disagreement with him only evidenced that Aristotle
> was not an expert on Aristotle's ideas. Some seem to suggest that unless we
> follow THAT path, a MOQ will not evolve. I suggest precisely the opposite.
>
> Please don't take this out on Mary, she has been the only one of the
> "interpretation supporters" (if you will) to respond with civility and
> substance.

Dan:

Hey Arlo! Yes I have been following your posts with interest and have
no disagreement with them. And no, I don't mean to "take this out on
Mary." I am just tired of the same old argument (SOM = intellect) that
she (not you) brings up. And she did mention my name. So I don't think
I am out of line here. If I am though, I apologize.

Thank you,

Dan