[MD] freewill

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 11:40 AM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ho Dan,
>
> Sorry for the delays.  Spring is here and I've less free time on my hands
> than olden days.  I'll try and make it count.
>
> ("for a change", I hear you mutterin'...)

Hi John

Good of you to take the time.


>
>
>>
>> Dan:
>> If you have to choose to care, isn't that a definition of determinism?
>> You're saying you HAVE to do something in order to care. You are
>> setting up a predetermined precondition for caring!
>>
>>
>JohN
> You don't have to choose to care.  But you can.  It's an optional choice.

Dan:
But John, that isn't what you said:

John:
Me!
I noticed that freewill is Quality.
I've been saying it for some time now.
Has anybody noticed?
Ron noticed.
Does anybody care?
You have to choose...
to care.

Dan comments:
To the extent that we follow static quality, there is no choice. By
following Dynamic Quality, we are free. This does not tranlate into
freewill is Quality, however. Choosing is a static quality decision
bound up within social and intellectual (cultural) constraints. Having
to choose does not translate into free will.

John:
> You have to choose caring, if you want life, but many people don't
> particulary care about life, and they don't choose to care, nor do they
> choose to believe in a cosmos where choice is possible.  That's their choice
> and they can't be argued out of it because it's a choice deeper than
> intellect.

Dan:
You mean it is a social choice? I am not sure I follow.

>John:
> So I am setting up a "predetermined precondition for caring" - choice.
> Choice is the predetermined precondition for caring.  Choice is
> co-fundamental with Quality.  That's my point.  I think it agrees with RMP,
> because he took the realization of Choice as solved by the MoQ, and I don't
> know if he means in exactly the same way I'm describing, but I believe it
> does prove a solution so I pretty much agree there.

Dan:
Okay. I can go along with this. Both free will and determinism are
seen as correct within the MOQ.

Thank you for caring,

Dan