[MD] freewill

Arlo Bensinger ajb102 at psu.edu
Mon Apr 11 07:29:29 PDT 2011


[Marsha had said]
Me, you and Pirsig are a fiction.

[Arlo asked]
Okay. Is The MOQ a fiction as well? Should we take something more 
seriously if "The MOQ" says it, than if "Pirsig" says it?

[Marsha]
The MoQ is an intellectual static pattern of value.  A very good one, 
a keeper.  The inherently existing self does collapse on 
examination.  While a collection of static patterns of value from all 
four levels, Mr. Pirsig is a very good collection, also a keeper.

[Arlo]
This doesn't answer my question. Are you suggesting that 'collections 
of static patterns' are 'fictions', but 'individual static patterns' are not?

Also, I'm not sure what your point is. I had said "The MOQ doesn't 
say anything, Pirsig does", to which you replied "Pirsig is a 
fiction", as if to imply that this would be a difference to you 
between "The MOQ says" and "Pirsig says".

If I say, "The MOQ doesn't say anything, Pirsig does", and you reply 
with the sentiment "both the MOQ and Pirsig are fictions, as well as 
you and me", what's the point? Okay, everything is a fiction. Does 
that mean we should stop speaking? Does that disagree with my point? 
Or is it just a call to stop talking and go meditate in a corner somewhere?







    Personally I'm a negative empiricist and a radical skeptic, I'd 
always have to investigate for myself no matter what's been said by 
whom, whether God, President, Mr. Pirsig or the Beatles.    So far, 
it has all ultimately come down to not this, not that.


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