[MD] [Bulk] Re: the story of "me"

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Dan said to Marsha:> 
> "Lila" as presented in my quote above doesn't refer to the "Cartesian
> self." RMP has stated that is an illusion. Lila refers to the Dynamic
> choice which drives evolution... not to an individual. I thought that
> was clear but I guess not...
> 
> Dan

Hi Dan,

Then you changed the subject, because I was speaking of the illusion 
of the ME, the "Cartesian Me"  having 'freewill" and making "choices."  
I will expand my former statement, the preferences of the biological static 
patterns of value are further shaped by social static patterns of value and 
intellectual static patterns of value.  And with these preferences WE build 
stories of how and why and when and where and with whom, which create 
pleasure and pain.  Stories.  

Ron:
But we do have freewill and choice , we are defined by differing levels of 
freedom of choice, yes the "I" the self, whole, complete is an illusion.
It's why we do not really go for Ham's essentialism because it rests on
the assumption of an autonomous self, which immediatly isolates experience
to the intellectual level and thats where explanation begins by setting the 
stage
then dragging the self in sideways like a god in a play.
The way I see it, the self emerges from Quality the self is an agent of 
betterness.
Understood as a product of Quality it becomes less of an illusion.

We are stories but those stories are values

and those values are what we mean when we say that something is real.

Marsha:
.  And yes, understanding 
these preferences intellectually is better than letting them run wild, but 
let's make sure we understand that that "Cartesian Me" is illusion. And I 
am not sure we've done that.  

Ron:
We've done that. That is probably causing some of the confusion.















  






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