[MD] Free Will

[X Acto]

Ron:
> we have inorganic needs, biological needs, social needs and intellectual needs
> whats best is whats best for all levels, to harmonize goods.
> I think if the intellect is concerned with whats best for the environment
> biological health and fellow human beings it is aligned with betterness.
> This is better than seeking refuge from all choice. Wouldn't you agree?

Dan:

When we follow static intellectual quality patterns we are without choice.

Ron:
I am beginning to see how this discussion is going to go. and you keep pounding 
on that 

quote concerning freewill vs. determinism.
"The problems of free will versus determinism, of the relation of mind to 
matter, 

of the discontinuity of matter at the sub-atomic level, of the apparent 
purposelessness 

of the universe and the life within it are all monster platypi created by the 
subject-object metaphysics."
Lila 8

>>Ron:
>> I think that the consequences of each makes enough of a difference
>> that a dialog concerning it directly influences the meaning and intent
>> of any "THE MoQ."
>
> Dan:
> So you believe there are many MOQs?
>
> Ron:
> SOM is a MOQ , because it's value all the way down, and experience is reality
> then it stands to reason that there are indeed many,the gallery of paintings
> metaphor comes to mind.

Dan:

Oh no, absolutely not. The metaphysics of substance stands in
contradiction to the Metaphysics of Quality. RMP explains this in LILA
quite carefully. I can't believe you would say something like this,
Ron. Maybe you need to re-read the book? Frankly, I don't even know
where to begin...

Ron:
In Lila he states that a subject object metaphysics is a metaphysics of quality
only it has a flaw, the consequences of it have lead to a modern crisis in 
western
civilisation.
Lets not start with this re-read Lila rhetorical distraction, not going to work.

nice try though

If you do not know where to begin then lets begin with the quote:

"There already is a metaphysics of quality. A subject-object metaphysics is in 
fact a 

metaphysics in which the first division of Quality - the first slice of 
undivided 

experience - is into subjects and objects. Once you have made that slice, all of 
human 

experience is supposed to fit into one of these two boxes. The trouble is, it 
doesn't. 

What he had seen is that there is a metaphysical box that sits above these two 
boxes, 

Quality itself. And once he'd seen this he also saw a huge number of ways in 
which
 Quality can be divided. Subjects and objects are just one of the ways."
Lila chp 9

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