[MD] Free Will

[X Acto]

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>>Ron:
>> 2. Dynamic Quality is natural selection at work
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Dan:
Natural selection pertains to Darwin's theory of evolution, or in
other words, a metaphysics of substance, as RMP explains in LILA. Here
are a couple quotes:

"Phaedrus thought this was why no one before had ever seemed to have
come up with the idea that the world is primarily value. The word is
too vague. The "value" that holds a glass of water together and the
"value" that holds a nation together are obviously not the same thing.
Therefore to say that the world is nothing but value is just
confusing, not clarifying."

"Biological man doesn't invent cities or societies any more than pigs
and chickens invent the farmer that feeds them. The force of
evolutionary creation isn't contained by substance. Substance is just
one kind of static pattern left behind by the creative force."

Dan comments:

Within the framework of the MOQ, biological quality, or Dynamic
natural selection, is not the same as social quality, or the Dynamic
force of celebrity. The the levels have almost nothing in common other
than an evolutionary history.

Ron retorts:
Then you need to add the quote that is just after those above, you had to have
read it:

it concludes:

"The Metaphysics of Quality has much much more to say about ethics, however, 
than simple resolution of the Free Will vs. Determinism controversy. 
The Metaphysics of Quality says that if moral judgments are essentially 
assertions of value and if value is the fundamental ground-stuff of the 
world, then moral judgments are the fundamental ground-stuff of the world.
It says that even at the most fundamental level of the universe, static 
patterns of value and moral judgment are identical. The 'Laws of Nature' 
are moral laws."

> Ron:
> I can understand and I am doing my best to explain this point of view, I'm in
> the process
> of going through all of Pirsigs work I possess to support my case in this 
>matter
> in regard
> to quotes.

Dan:

Good. Perhaps you should start by reading LILA again, paying
particular attention to how the MOQ is juxapositioned against the
metaphysics of substance, or SOM if you will.

Ron:
I think you should follow your own advice.