[MD] Right, I don't think of it as killing the intellect.

[118]

Hey John,

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:23 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Andre Broersen <andrebroersen at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> dmb to Ron:
>>
>> Right, I don't think of it as killing the intellect. That's what's so
>> useful about the bike repair metaphor, I think.
>>
>> Andre:
>> Yes, it seems to me (and I hope I am wrong in this) that there is some
>> confusion about this 'killing' term. It does not mean that you should
>> destroy them. What Pirsig means is that you 'detach' yourself from
>> them...when you are [intellectually] stuck. That is, put them aside, do not
>> cling to them. You should make room for intuition, imagination, creativity.
>> In other words DQ to 'assist'. Freeing your cup so to speak... .(LILA,p 407)
>>
>
> Well in defense of Bob, Buddha's the one that mentioned killing, he was just
> using the statement to make a point and yeah, I agree.  It's killing
> attachment to a static pattern, not simply killing a static pattern.
>
> Although, since the seeing of any static pattern is largely a matter of
> attachment (caring) then it's hard to see any functional difference from a
> hurried glance.

[Mark]
My sense of attachment is a bit different.  We could say that by
making a pattern, it has meaning for us and therefore we become
attached to it.  I would say that in the levels of awareness once can
place such patterning as subservient to a more encompassing sense of
transience.  In this way it may be possible to create a pattern
without attachment.  This is, in a way, stepping back from the pattern
to place it in a symbolic representation from the Intellectual level.
By doing this, the pattern does not mean as much as what it
represents.  Since this is method for abstraction it is free to change
at a whim.  There are of course different levels (interpretations) of
attachment itself, and logically it can be all reduced to the same
thing.  If one is attached to logic that is.
>
> When freeing one's cup becomes making a sieve.
>
[Mark]
Sounds cool, but I don't quite get it.  How about freeing one's mind
to become a window.

Cheers,
Mark
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