[MD] Right, I don't think of it as killing the intellect.

[118]

Hey John,

Nice to interact with you again.

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> Mark prev.:
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>>  I would say that in the levels of awareness once can
>> place such patterning as subservient to a more encompassing sense of
>> transience.
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>
>
> John
>
> Hmmmm.... yes, I suppose we could say it that way.  But that way seems a bit
> complicated and in need of a lot of explanation to support it.  "more
> encompassing sense of transience" for instance, just sails right over my

[Mark]
How's this for an analogy?  Life is like floating down a river.  Some
do not like the feeling of such drifting and continually put long
stakes into the river bottom to slow themselves down and the river
flows temporarily by.  It is indeed a struggle, and they can't hold on
for long; they must continually be putting in anchor stakes all the
ride down.  Boy, sounds exhausting!  No wonder I like to sit sometimes
and zone out to TV infomercials.
>
> Mark prev:
>  In this way it may be possible to create a pattern
>> without attachment.
>
> John:
> How?  One has to care to see a pattern, in order to see it.  You have to
> try.  You have to use concepts such as order and symetry and repetition over
> time, in order to call something a pattern, and once you see it that way,
> you are attached to your interpretation.

[Mark]
Yeah, in order to talk about it we are attached.  What if it is a
pattern of something that you have no idea what it is?  The ineffible
pattern.  Are you attached to that?  Most of our day is within the
ineffible pattern, we only attach to just an itsy bitsy part, imo.  Do
you believe in the Wordless Pattern?  Or, what if the pattern is
different every second, like rolling through stills of a move real?
Just the thought gives me a headache...
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> Mark:
>> By doing this, the pattern does not mean as much as what it
>> represents.
>
> John:
> Meta play indeed!

[Mark]
Yeah, Meta-Meta.  Did you know that the shuttle bus in Hawaii to the
airport is called the Wiki-Wiki?  Is that kind of like the explanation
of explanation?  Perhaps we can create the Wiki-Wikipedia.  Maybe
we'll take off on a vacation.
>
> Mark:
>> Since this is method for abstraction it is free to change
>> at a whim.  There are of course different levels (interpretations) of
>> attachment itself, and logically it can be all reduced to the same
>> thing.  If one is attached to logic that is.
>>
> John:
> One definitely is.  One can just sort of tell.
>
>
[Mark]
Like riding on a cycle down the California Coast, huh?  Here is a
metaphor which is adapted from Gotama.  We are like Tarzan, swinging
from one vine (idea) to the next (idea).  We can't let go, or else we
will fall to the ground.  Or can we?  Pirsig fell to the ground many
years ago, but got back up again to do some more swinging.  This is
the difference between a breakdown and an awakening.  Gotta keep
moving without being afraid to let go.  Can always get up again.
How's it go?  "I get knocked down, but I get up again, you're never
going to keep me down" (Chumbawamba).
>
JTC
>> > When freeing one's cup becomes making a sieve.
>> >
>> [Mark]
>> Sounds cool, but I don't quite get it.  How about freeing one's mind
>> to become a window.

>JTC
> A mind clear as glass is a good thing to have.  I don't know if the same
> could be said for a head like a sieve.

[Mark]
My mind is like a sieve.  Where did I leave my car keys?  Oh, and my
heart is like a wheel, let me roll it to ya.

Cheers,
Mark, the Just-along-for-the-ride on the Wiki-Wiki River Raft Dream
Adventure. ("JAFTROT W-WRRDA" the acronym without attachment
posibilities, never)

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