[MD] [Bulk] Re: the story of "me"

[MarshaV]

dmb,

Did Ron respond to only these specific few sentences, or the entire 
paragraph posted , or are you just hankering to be on the soapbox again? 


Marsha



On Apr 20, 2011, at 9:22 AM, david buchanan wrote:

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> Marsha said to Ron:
> .., I would have to say NO, I do not stand for any-thing.  If you recognize "me" standing for something, I would suspect you are recognizing social  and intellectual patterns we both share: patterns that attract and patterns that repel.  If you want me to admit an "intention," it would be to become "unattached" to these patterns.
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> Ron replied:
> Why  fight being human, refine it dont deny it. if we are composed of value, doesent it make more sense to develop those value than to try to escape them?
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> dmb says:
> As Pirsig points out in a not yet published forward to Lila, the three main characters are composed of different levels of value and that is why they do not like each other or even understand each other. Lila is dominated by biological values. Intellectually she is nowhere and socially - as a former prostitute with mental health issues - she is about as far down the scale as one can get. Rigel is dominated by social level values. He doesn't care if the MOQ makes sense or not, he just knows it doesn't conform with his very conventional ideas about what's moral. And then there is the intellectual author. About the only thing that Lila and Rigel have in common is that they both dislike his fancy book learning and feel put down or put off by it. And it seems to me that Rigel has fewer options because intellectual values are off the table for him and Lila is more or less reduced to basic survival and has about as much freedom as a sophisticated animal.
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> I mean, enlightenment is not the same thing as regression, retardation, reduction or the lack of growth. Peace of mind and suicide are two completely different things. The lack of attachment is not the same thing as apathy or nihilism or otherworldly, life-hating asceticism. The MOQ's ideas are supposed to serve life, not deny or negate it. 
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