[MD] [Bulk] Re: the story of "me"

[MarshaV]

Ron, 

It's a philosophical question from your heart and head.  I have a different 
philosophical perspective, a different heart and head.  You're looking for 
affirmation from and for your point-of-view, your personal interpretation.  
I suppose since you composed and asked the question, you need to 
answer it for yourself.  Your question's assumptions make no sense to me. 


Marsha   




On Apr 21, 2011, at 2:22 PM, X Acto wrote:

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> Ron,
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> I reject your analysis.  But thanks for the projection; it's always 
> interesting.  
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> Marsha  
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> Marsha,
> Then you are rejecting a philosophical question not a subjective analysis.
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> The Question: 
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>> if we are composed of value, doesent it make more
>> sense to develop those value than to try to escape them?
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> On Apr 20, 2011, at 8:53 AM, X Acto wrote:
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>> Hello Ron,
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>> Having stated that the "Cartesian 'Me" is an illusion, and the definition of 
>> self is a flow of ever-changing, interdependent, impermanent inorganic, 
>> biological, social and intellectual static patterns of value, I would have to 
>> say NO, I do not stand for any-thing.  If you recognize "me" standing for 
>> something, I would suspect you are recognizing social  and intellectual 
>> patterns 
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>> we both share: patterns that attract and patterns that repel.  If you want me 
>> to 
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>> admit an "intention," it would be to become "unattached" to these patterns.  
>> That doesn't mean destroy them, it means to become unattached.  If this all 
>> sounds too lofty to be "real," I'll confess that the "Cartesian Me" pattern has 
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>> me in it's grip far, far FAR too often. I am "human, all too human."  
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>> Marsha  
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>> Marsha,
>> Why  fight being human, refine it dont deny it. if we are composed of value, 
>> doesent it make more
>> sense to develop those value than to try to escape them?
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>> -Ron
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>> On Apr 18, 2011, at 11:14 PM, X Acto wrote:
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>>> well, maybe perhaps one day you'll actually stand for something.
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>>> I think you already do
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>>> but you have yet to admit it.
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>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 4:58:28 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] [Bulk] Re: the story of "me"
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>>> 
>>> Interesting Ron,  
>>> 
>>> I had lunch with a friend early last week, and as we were talking, 
>>> I was realizing that my words were not really True.  We were discussing 
>>> experiences in other countries.  And it made me uncomfortable to give 
>>> any opinion at all.  What I spoke of my experiences in Italy, would be 
>>> different if I explained them to someone else, or explained them on 
>>> different day.  They'd have been different if I were talking at a different 
>>> hour.  These Italian utterances were so transitory.  The talk was harmless 
>>> enough, so I chalked it up to being social.  But it made me squirm none 
>>> the less because it represents all semantic expression.  
>>> 
>>> Maybe this will help you see why bottom line is always "not this, not that."    
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>>> Marsha  
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>>> On Apr 17, 2011, at 11:43 PM, X Acto wrote:
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>>>> Hi Ron,
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>>>> Are you suggesting that we add 'stories' as another synonym too, and I forgot 
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>>>> Good.  
>>>> 
>>>> Really, are you suggesting that these are additional synonyms?  Or something 
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>>>> else.
>>>> I'd like to know how you're thinking about this.  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha  
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha,
>>>> I'm going after general meanings of the terms we use, I think :
>>>> Good
>>>> Choice
>>>> preference
>>>> selection
>>>> Value
>>>> And yes freedom
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>>>> All have meaning very similar to the word Quality
>>>> 
>>>> I think our stories our biographies tell more about our values
>>>> than any concept of a cartesian self.
>>>> 
>>>> I venture to suppose that our stories are our static values.
>>>> And I believe we do have a choice in following them or not.
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>>>> On Apr 17, 2011, at 9:38 AM, MarshaV wrote:
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>>>>> 
>>>>> But it sounds like you are saying you are assigning 'choice' and 'freedom' as 
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>>>>> additional synonyms for Quality.  So synonyms for Quality are Value, 
>>>>> Experience,
>>>>> Morality, Choice, and Freedom.  Are there more?  Is that what you are saying, 
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>>>>> that 
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>>>>> choice and freedom are additional synonyms?  Or are those synonyms for static 
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>>>>> quality alone?  
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