[MD] Dans Bitterness over Betterness

[Horse]

Hi Craig

You seem to have a problem with the idea of illusions.

On 30/04/2011 04:43, craigerb at comcast.net wrote:
> Resending the following but hopefully correctly attributing quotes to Horse:
>
> [Horse]
>> Both static patterns and subjects and objects are 'real' in the sense
>> that they represent how we make sense of what we experience.
> Your first statement is correct but it goes downhill after this.
>
> [Horse]
>> The example I gave of a rainbow a while back illustrates this well.
>> If we stood next to each other somewhere and observed a rainbow we would
>> both be observing different rainbows but we would (probably) agree that
>> it was the same rainbow we were observing.
> Once we "agree that it was the SAME rainbow we were observing", why make the obviously false claim that "we would both be observing DIFFERENT rainbows"!

But our 'agreement' is based on an illusion. Or do you think there 
really is a big bow of multi-coloured light in the sky?

> If I look at someone then tilt my head (or they move a little) and look again, I don't see a different person (though I have a different view of the same person).

And you can walk around that person and get different views of the same 
thing. That persons presence isn't the illusion.

> If I shine a light into your eyes, you really see light.  And if I shine the light through a glass prism so that it separates into a spectrum of color bands, you really see color bands of light.  A prism doesn't change what's real into something unreal.
> A rainbow is a spectrum created by water droplets instead of glass.
> As Pirsig suggests, in searching for profundity, we shouldn't deny what a child knows.
>

A child doesn't know that a rainbow exists as an interaction between the 
environment and one's senses until you enlighten them.


Horse

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