Hi Steve, I think Spinoza would have a lot to say about undefined/defined reality. Joe On 8/3/11 8:33 PM, "Michael R. Brown" <mrb at fuguewriter.com> wrote: > I think Augustine and Meister Eckhart would like this line much. I love > Spinoza's simple, lovely reasoning that we are in direct contact with > reality, since if it took forever we'd never get there.