[MD] Thinking: self

[MarshaV]

My understanding is that the self is a flow of ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value in a field of Dynamic Quality.

"Annotation 29: The MOQ, as I understand it, denies any existence of a “self” that is independent of inorganic, biological, social or intellectual patterns. There is no “self” that contains these patterns. These patterns contain the self. This denial agrees with both religious mysticism and scientific knowledge. In Zen, there is reference to “big self” and “small self.” Small self is the patterns. Big self is Dynamic Quality."
   (RMP, Lila’s Child)

 
The MOQ, like the Buddhists and the Determinists (odd bedfellows) says this “autonomous individual” is an illusion.  
   (RMP, Copleston) 


A Buddhist perspective of self:  No central unit, but a flow of mental states which rise, produce function and disappear, which gives rsie to the next mental state producing a stream of mental states
 
 
 

 
On Aug 7, 2011, at 8:37 AM, MarshaV wrote:

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> H Mark,
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> I suppose I am picking nits in a way that matters to no one else, but I need to drop both causality and connectedness which seem both to require some intrinsic nature.  At the moment I like better 'conditionally co-dependent'.  
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> Marsha 
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> On Aug 6, 2011, at 12:15 PM, MarshaV wrote:
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>> Mark,  
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>> Simply causal?  I still could wonder how anything that lacks intrinsic nature could possibly causally connect?  What kind of connection would that be?   MMK - Chapter One kind of question...  
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>> Marsha 
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>> On Aug 6, 2011, at 11:47 AM, 118 wrote:
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>>> This is simply a causal connection.  As such it goes from undifferentiated (Quality) to highly differentiated (language).  Please note that language results in perceived Quality.
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>>> Mark
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>>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:21 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>>> Of course, I could wonder how anything that lacks intrinsic nature could possibly connect?  What kind of connection would that be?  (I can hear my mother's words:  "Marsha, you think too much!")   Undifferentiated, and non-rational, and free from assimilation, discrimination, analysis and synthesis?   Or seeing without anything seen?   
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>>>> Boggles the thinking mind...   
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>>>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 3:56 AM, MarshaV wrote:
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>>>>> Hi Mark,
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>>>>> Interconnected?
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>>>>> Marsha  
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>>>>> On Aug 4, 2011, at 3:52 PM, 118 wrote:
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>>>>>> There is a way to make this, understandable.  Language results from thinking, thinking results from awareness, awareness results from dualism, dualism results from quality, quality results from Quality, Quality results from language.
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>>>>>> Mark
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