[MD] self: agent of action & thinker of thoughts

[Horse]

Hi folks

On 17/08/2011 11:20, Ian Glendinning wrote:
> Marsha, I don't call that rejection, but a warning as to the illusory
> nature of the autonomous individual self.

What is the difference between an 'autonomous individual self ' and an 
'autonomous moral agent'? I'm having a hard time seeing any difference 
at all given what's been said so far.

So given my current inability to see where there is an effective 
difference in this discussion:

What is it then that has or expresses free will if not an 'autonomous 
individual self '.
And if this 'autonomous individual self ' is illusory then the 
conventional way of looking at free will is also illusory.

It seems to me that in all the discussions so far there has been a 
tendency to fall back to the idea that there is an autonomous moral 
agent ('autonomous individual self') who 'has' free will and expresses 
that free will by making free and independent moral choices.
This doesn't appear to be the case given many of Pirsigs quotes and 
references.
The overall impression that I get is that the GOF 'Moral Agent' is being 
shoe-horned into the MoQ where it doesn't quite fit!

Horse

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