[MD] self: agent of action & thinker of thoughts

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi Ham and all,

IMHO you have identified a metaphysics (beyond physics) with an ESSENCE
beyond EXISTENCE.  If I describe EXISTENCE as logical reality in an
evolutionary framework, ESSENCE would stand apart from evolutionary logic.

Since I have no way of knowing the limits for ESSENCE, I accept its
existence on Faith.  Faith is the substance of things to be hoped for, and
the evidence for things that appear not.  Faith is powerful, and I
acknowledge its contributions to culture.  On a list dedicated to MOQ I am
reluctant to go beyond Evolution, levels in existence, to Faith, Essence,
before the MOQ DQ/SQ is more fully explored logically.  It is rather new,
and DQ is indefinable.  For myself the reality of DQ is verifiable in
indefinable emotions like LOVE.

To propose a metaphysical order underlying moral behavior, I appeal to
EXISTENCE.    

What, indefinable?  Define Emotions! S/O, SOM.  DQ/SQ, MOQ.


On 8/20/11 10:16 AM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:
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> Pirsig went no farther than assigning Quality (Value) to
> existential reality.  He didn't want to be viewed as fostering religion or
> "supernaturalism" by positing a Creator or Primary Source.  That's a shame,
> because his Quality is only as "real" as we can experience it in existence,
> whereas the essence of metaphysics is what is beyond existence.
> 
> We may be incapable of defining the Source, but it would be foolish to
> conclude that
> an evolutionary universe produces valuistic perceptions and emotions   What
> does existence EVOLVE FROM?
> 
> Anyway, that's what I see as the challenge of philosophy.
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