[MD] self: agent of action & thinker of thoughts

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi Mark,

How can you  add, subract, multiply 1 by 0, and not divide 1 by 0?  A
failure in rigorous logic?

Joe


On 8/28/11 5:36 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Joe, Joe, Joe,
> 
> How is your math these days?  When an error is returned for an
> equation like 2/0, it means "Return to sender", or "Earth to Joe", or
> "What are you asking?".  2/0 asks "how many times does nothing fit
> into two?".  So tell me Joe, how many times can you fit nothing into
> two if you are so fond of asking the question?  This would be like
> asking how many times does Integrity fit into Beautiful?.  Don't you
> think this would result in an error message from the calculator of
> MoQ?
> 
> Typically evolution is described by mathematics.  I am referring to
> the Evolution that is a theory in biology.  It is all math based.  You
> know level of adaptation, predator/prey equations, life span.  All
> math!  Darwin put a lot of species together in a linear (math) way.
> But, you do not need to apologize because you are obviously talking
> about a different sort of Evolution.  If you explain what you mean by
> Evolution, I can respond with a rational post along those lines.
> 
> When I state that "Mathematics is a form of Metaphysics", I mean
> simply this: Math is used to describe reality in the same way that MoQ
> is used to describe reality.  There is no difference and each is an
> equally valid method for such a description.  There is nothing more
> real about mathematics than there is for MoQ, both are static
> descriptions, and yes, they approach reality in different ways.
> Perhaps you are of the mind that somehow Math is true whereas MoQ is
> conjecture.  If so, I would have to suggest that you stop bowing down
> to the religion of Scientism and see it for what it is.  This is not
> to demean science;  I am in love with science and make a good living
> using it.  Science describes reality like a blue print describes a
> house.  The blueprint is not the house, science is not reality.
> 
> By way of metaphor, let me ask you this:  Let's say you enter into a
> very good restaurant and a waiter gives you a menu.  You ask the
> waiter what he would suggest for a meal.  The waiter takes one of the
> pages of the menu and puts salt on it and suggests you eat it.
> Wouldn't you think that is kind of strange?  Of course the menu is not
> the food, just like a map of Ecuador is not the country.  In the same
> way, math is not reality, and physics is not either.  They are all
> descriptions, all analogies.  MoQ is the analogy we are working with.
> To make it work we need to use rhetoric and a great variety of
> descriptions and definitions, yes, DEFINITIONS.  Else-wise we will
> just be acting silly.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> The reply highlights the difference between language and math.  Math as a
>> precise language seems to ignore analogy and metaphor procreation.  Division
>> by 0 in math returns an error message, no creation.  The question I was
>> asking is can evolution be described in mathematics.  If the answer is yes,
>> my apologies. If, no, then metaphysics with analogy and metaphor is the
>> proper discipline to discuss evolution beyond mathematical physics.
>> 
>> I have not studied extensive mathematical levels, I am operating on the
>> insight that metaphysics, and physics, do not share a common definition for
>> the reality of evolution.  "Math is a form of metaphysics."
>> 
>> I'm no good at tic-tac-toe. No room for disagreement except a fistfight.
>> 
>> On 8/24/11 4:31 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Joe the Undefined Wizard,
>>> 
>>> Is this a trick question? Or are you playing tic-tac-toe?
>>> 
>>> By the way, are you ignoring my last email to you or are you still
>>> digesting it (burp)?
>>> 
>>> Mark, the Undefined Satan.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi Mark and all,
>>>> 
>>>> DQ/SQ. X/0. Are they both metaphysical formulations?
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/23/11 9:42 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Math is a form of metaphysics.
>>>> 
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