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Hi Steven,
Thanks for the suggestion.  I would be interested in learning more about applications of math to MoQ.  What are your thoughts on using infinite set theory?

Mark

On Aug 28, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Steven Peterson <peterson.steve at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Mark,
> 
> Please don't talk about things you know nothing about. I am a
> mathematician and statistician. Last time I checked you are not. I am
> only looking out for you best interest to help you avoid looking
> stupid just as you were simply trying to help Horse by telling him he
> can't talk about evolution since he is not a biologist.
> 
> I know you are interested in raising the standard for what gets posted
> in this forum. The surest way that you can help to do that would be to
> unsubscribe.
> 
> Best,
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:36 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joe, Joe, Joe,
>> 
>> How is your math these days?  When an error is returned for an
>> equation like 2/0, it means "Return to sender", or "Earth to Joe", or
>> "What are you asking?".  2/0 asks "how many times does nothing fit
>> into two?".  So tell me Joe, how many times can you fit nothing into
>> two if you are so fond of asking the question?  This would be like
>> asking how many times does Integrity fit into Beautiful?.  Don't you
>> think this would result in an error message from the calculator of
>> MoQ?
>> 
>> Typically evolution is described by mathematics.  I am referring to
>> the Evolution that is a theory in biology.  It is all math based.  You
>> know level of adaptation, predator/prey equations, life span.  All
>> math!  Darwin put a lot of species together in a linear (math) way.
>> But, you do not need to apologize because you are obviously talking
>> about a different sort of Evolution.  If you explain what you mean by
>> Evolution, I can respond with a rational post along those lines.
>> 
>> When I state that "Mathematics is a form of Metaphysics", I mean
>> simply this: Math is used to describe reality in the same way that MoQ
>> is used to describe reality.  There is no difference and each is an
>> equally valid method for such a description.  There is nothing more
>> real about mathematics than there is for MoQ, both are static
>> descriptions, and yes, they approach reality in different ways.
>> Perhaps you are of the mind that somehow Math is true whereas MoQ is
>> conjecture.  If so, I would have to suggest that you stop bowing down
>> to the religion of Scientism and see it for what it is.  This is not
>> to demean science;  I am in love with science and make a good living
>> using it.  Science describes reality like a blue print describes a
>> house.  The blueprint is not the house, science is not reality.
>> 
>> By way of metaphor, let me ask you this:  Let's say you enter into a
>> very good restaurant and a waiter gives you a menu.  You ask the
>> waiter what he would suggest for a meal.  The waiter takes one of the
>> pages of the menu and puts salt on it and suggests you eat it.
>> Wouldn't you think that is kind of strange?  Of course the menu is not
>> the food, just like a map of Ecuador is not the country.  In the same
>> way, math is not reality, and physics is not either.  They are all
>> descriptions, all analogies.  MoQ is the analogy we are working with.
>> To make it work we need to use rhetoric and a great variety of
>> descriptions and definitions, yes, DEFINITIONS.  Else-wise we will
>> just be acting silly.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> The reply highlights the difference between language and math.  Math as a
>>> precise language seems to ignore analogy and metaphor procreation.  Division
>>> by 0 in math returns an error message, no creation.  The question I was
>>> asking is can evolution be described in mathematics.  If the answer is yes,
>>> my apologies. If, no, then metaphysics with analogy and metaphor is the
>>> proper discipline to discuss evolution beyond mathematical physics.
>>> 
>>> I have not studied extensive mathematical levels, I am operating on the
>>> insight that metaphysics, and physics, do not share a common definition for
>>> the reality of evolution.  "Math is a form of metaphysics."
>>> 
>>> I'm no good at tic-tac-toe. No room for disagreement except a fistfight.
>>> 
>>> On 8/24/11 4:31 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Joe the Undefined Wizard,
>>>> 
>>>> Is this a trick question? Or are you playing tic-tac-toe?
>>>> 
>>>> By the way, are you ignoring my last email to you or are you still
>>>> digesting it (burp)?
>>>> 
>>>> Mark, the Undefined Satan.
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