[MD] self: agent of action & thinker of thoughts

Joseph Maurer jhmau at comcast.net
Tue Aug 30 11:49:45 PDT 2011 

Hi Mark,

Math cannot logically describe evolution, something new existing differently
from something old.  I suggest the logic in MOQ is an indefinable logic of
levels in existence beyond a logic for physical existence since it requires
a metaphysical DQ/SQ logic.  Math has limitations in logic and metaphysics
is not an outmoded discipline.

I read you saying the same thing, and we seem to be on the same page in
describing reality in evolution, physics and metaphysics.

Joe


On 8/30/11 7:09 AM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> The easiest way to understand this is to put the equation to words as I did
> for 2/0.  Two times zero can be read as What do you have if you double
> nothing?
> 
> Math is a language.  It has a shorthand notation for reasons of manipulation.
> Due to this simplification, it has a much more narrow application than words.
> For example, words can convey the sense of fear, whereas math cannot.  So math
> is a very specialized language albeit limited to those things that abide by
> measurement.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Aug 28, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> How can you  add, subract, multiply 1 by 0, and not divide 1 by 0?  A
>> failure in rigorous logic?
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/28/11 5:36 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Joe, Joe, Joe,
>>> 
>>> How is your math these days?  When an error is returned for an
>>> equation like 2/0, it means "Return to sender", or "Earth to Joe", or
>>> "What are you asking?".  2/0 asks "how many times does nothing fit
>>> into two?".  So tell me Joe, how many times can you fit nothing into
>>> two if you are so fond of asking the question?  This would be like
>>> asking how many times does Integrity fit into Beautiful?.  Don't you
>>> think this would result in an error message from the calculator of
>>> MoQ?
>>> 
>>> Typically evolution is described by mathematics.  I am referring to
>>> the Evolution that is a theory in biology.  It is all math based.  You
>>> know level of adaptation, predator/prey equations, life span.  All
>>> math!  Darwin put a lot of species together in a linear (math) way.
>>> But, you do not need to apologize because you are obviously talking
>>> about a different sort of Evolution.  If you explain what you mean by
>>> Evolution, I can respond with a rational post along those lines.
>>> 
>>> When I state that "Mathematics is a form of Metaphysics", I mean
>>> simply this: Math is used to describe reality in the same way that MoQ
>>> is used to describe reality.  There is no difference and each is an
>>> equally valid method for such a description.  There is nothing more
>>> real about mathematics than there is for MoQ, both are static
>>> descriptions, and yes, they approach reality in different ways.
>>> Perhaps you are of the mind that somehow Math is true whereas MoQ is
>>> conjecture.  If so, I would have to suggest that you stop bowing down
>>> to the religion of Scientism and see it for what it is.  This is not
>>> to demean science;  I am in love with science and make a good living
>>> using it.  Science describes reality like a blue print describes a
>>> house.  The blueprint is not the house, science is not reality.
>>> 
>>> By way of metaphor, let me ask you this:  Let's say you enter into a
>>> very good restaurant and a waiter gives you a menu.  You ask the
>>> waiter what he would suggest for a meal.  The waiter takes one of the
>>> pages of the menu and puts salt on it and suggests you eat it.
>>> Wouldn't you think that is kind of strange?  Of course the menu is not
>>> the food, just like a map of Ecuador is not the country.  In the same
>>> way, math is not reality, and physics is not either.  They are all
>>> descriptions, all analogies.  MoQ is the analogy we are working with.
>>> To make it work we need to use rhetoric and a great variety of
>>> descriptions and definitions, yes, DEFINITIONS.  Else-wise we will
>>> just be acting silly.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> The reply highlights the difference between language and math.  Math as a
>>>> precise language seems to ignore analogy and metaphor procreation.
>>>> Division
>>>> by 0 in math returns an error message, no creation.  The question I was
>>>> asking is can evolution be described in mathematics.  If the answer is yes,
>>>> my apologies. If, no, then metaphysics with analogy and metaphor is the
>>>> proper discipline to discuss evolution beyond mathematical physics.
>>>> 
>>>> I have not studied extensive mathematical levels, I am operating on the
>>>> insight that metaphysics, and physics, do not share a common definition for
>>>> the reality of evolution.  "Math is a form of metaphysics."
>>>> 
>>>> I'm no good at tic-tac-toe. No room for disagreement except a fistfight.
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/24/11 4:31 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Joe the Undefined Wizard,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is this a trick question? Or are you playing tic-tac-toe?
>>>>> 
>>>>> By the way, are you ignoring my last email to you or are you still
>>>>> digesting it (burp)?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark, the Undefined Satan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Mark and all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> DQ/SQ. X/0. Are they both metaphysical formulations?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8/23/11 9:42 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Math is a form of metaphysics.
>>>>>> 
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