[MD] The Relativist's journey

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Hi Mark, 

If logic arises from evolution, then what does evolution arise from?  

Right off the top of my head I'd say that evolution arises from logic - a certain "good orderly flow" - right?  

Mmmm.   I love conundrum.  SO tasty!

John

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On Nov 30, 2011, at 9:27 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> All I am saying is that our logic is a function of evolution.  That
> is, logic arises from evolution.  I do agree that logic has both DQ
> and SQ components, and that their interaction gives logic its meaning.
> Intellect is not the same as the Intellectual Level, just like
> society is not the same as the Social Level.  The levels are processes
> and not end products, imo.
> Mark
> 
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> I disagree that evolution identifies logic.  Logic makes its appearance at
>> the intellectual level.  There is no logic in an emotional DQ only level,
>> only possibility.  How can I argue that emotions are a DQ level in evolution
>> when I agree that emotions are indefinable DQ only?  Intellect embraces
>> evolution DQ/SQ and logic is born.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/27/11 4:07 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Logic?
>>> Logic starts with an assumption and then builds a scaffolding up from that.
>>> If it is seen as worthy, then people try to live in it.  If they change their
>>> mind about the assumption, then they find another place to live.  Some are
>>> perfectly happy where they are, others philosophize.
>>> 
>>> Evolution identifies logic, IMO.
>>> 
>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Steve and All.
>>>> 
>>>> As I read your statement below the question "What is logic?" presents
>>>> itself.  In an evolutionary format logic is from a higher to a lower reality
>>>> or vise versa.  Higher or Lower than becomes a judgment call.  Unless we
>>>> establish an the order for evolution "Says you!" is the final arbiter in
>>>> logic.  And I am posting to an endless debate.
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to answer "What is logic?" by the declaration "Logic identifies
>>>> the order in existence!"  Evolution!
>>>> 
>>>> Joe
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/27/11 1:54 PM, "Steven Peterson" <peterson.steve at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The only bad news that Rorty
>>>>> had was that there is no way to hold all of your assumptions in question at
>>>>> once. That doesn't leave us with nothing. Though we can't step outside of
>>>>> history and culture, but we can still think critically about our own
>>>>> tradition.
>>>> 
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