[MD] The Hero's journey

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Hi Joe,
Well, as usual I am lost not knowing what kind of evolution you are
discussing.  However, it may be relevent to your thinking if I say
that this "independence" is something that we have to learn to
unlearn.  This is at the heart of Zen.  Therefore, I am claiming we
should stop seeing everything as objects (for at least part of the
time, anyway).  Get off that "anxiety treadmill"!  It is to much work
to constantly keep ourselves separated, and we miss so much with that
toil.  Relax, let go, breathe out, just do the Nirvana.
Cheers,
Mark

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi David and All,
>
> Using "independent" as a metaphysical claim begins to cloud an evolutionary
> hierarchy necessary for logic.  Indefinable "Individual" seems a better
> claim when discussing evolution.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On 12/9/11 12:32 PM, "david buchanan" <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To say that objects are independent of us is a metaphysical claim, a claim
>> involving two distinct ontological categories, us and the independent,
>> objective reality that we hope to gain knowledge of.
>
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