[MD] emptiness

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Hi Andre,
Emptiness is a rational concept used to reach Buddhist enlightenment.  Quality is also a rational concept within MoQ, and is used for the same purposes.

We sit here saying many things about Quality.  So, if you are stating that no meaning can be given to these concepts, then I will have to respectfully disagree with you.  In addition if talking about these concepts somehow differs from realizing them, I would have to say that you are placing way too much importance on words.  Words are not a separate reality, their use is part of the same encompassing reality.  This conceptual separation of words from events is one of Western creation.  This MoQ tries to discourage.

So please do not obfuscate the message with your artificial separation of words from reality, for they are part of realization.  These concepts are not "close" to you, they are you.  There is nothing to look for, unless you have the idea that they are separate.  In that cast good luck with your realization since you will simply end up where you started, except with perhaps a different attitude.

Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark

On Dec 17, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Andre <andrebroersen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marsha to Mark:
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> So I find it worth considering what the Buddhist's have to say about Emptiness, and what this particular presentation says about the importance of realizing Emptiness, or Dynamic Quality.  I find it a very thoughtful presentation.
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> Andre:
> Hi Marsha, Mark. First of all 'the Buddhists' have nothing to say about 'Emptiness' because there isn't anything to say about it. The closest one gets is 'light' or 'freedom' or 'within which there is great working'. Read all the first person accounts of the saints and sages over the years, read Pirsig and you will not find anything on the content of Quality, Nothingness, Emptiness, Tao, Buddha mind, Big Self...not one thing...of course not. There is nothing to say about it.
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> The idea of 'realizing Emptiness' is a different notion and practice. All the perennial philosophers agree that it is here right now, closer to you than you are to your self! Quite a claim and quite a promise which isn't a promis
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