[MD] emptiness

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Hi Marsha,
Are you avoiding my questions as to why you are anti-MoQ?  Why do you equate DQ and sq when Pirsig presents them as different.  I do not know why you are sidestepping into experience.

But, since you do, of course experience can come first, since subjects and objects are concepts.  This is what I was saying.  But experience can also come during and after.  The act of conceptualizing is experience, and dealing with subjects and objects is experience.  If you say that you have no experience from reading a book, then you are farther "out there" than I am.

Quality comes first, then your relativity comes after.  But it does not have to.  The same is true for subjects and objects.  Most of your daily experience does not end up as subjects or objects.  Just pay attention. 

Perhaps you answered my question as to why you are trying to derail MoQ.  I will check my inbox.  If not, you at least owe us an explanation.

Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark

On Dec 17, 2011, at 7:35 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> RMP:
> In a subject-object metaphysics, this experience is between a pre-existing object and subject, but in the MOQ, there is no pre-existing subject or object. Experience and Dynamic Quality become synonymous… Experience comes first, everything else [such as subjects and objects] comes later. This is pure empiricism, as opposed to scientific empiricism, which, with its pre-existing subjects and objects, is not really so pure.
>     (McWatt, Anthony, 'A Critical Analysis of Robert Pirsig’s Metaphysics of Quality')
> 
> Marsha;
> Do you need an interpreter?  Experience is a legitimate topic in this forum.
> 
> 
> Marsha 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Dec 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marsha,
>> This is not a forum of experience, this forum is to discuss MoQ.  If indeed your posts are just relating a personal experience, then that clarifies why you post the way you do.  So in response to your posts I can pay your head and say "that's nice Marsha, thanks for sharing" and then I can get back to MoQ.
>> 
>> I take it from your response that this is what you want.  So I say "I am proud of you for believing in Emptiness" and I mean it, please carry on.
>> 
>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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