[MD] emptiness

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi Marsha,

It's late and I am lost!

Joe


On 12/21/11 12:06 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> With tiny correction...
> 
> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
> There is no "something" that inherently exists.  I never said of anything that
> it _did not exist_. Things or patterns conventionally exist.  They do not
> exist from their own side.  Static patterns of value are processes,
> conditionally co-dependent, impermanent, ever-changing and conceptualized,
> that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, predictable
> pattern.  Within the MoQ, these patterns are categorized into a four-level,
> evolutionary, hierarchical structure:  inorganic, biological, social and
> intellectual. This static value exists in stable patterns relative to other
> patterns.  Patterns depend upon innumerable causes and conditions (patterns),
> depend upon parts and the collection of parts (patterns), depend upon
> conceptual designation (patterns). Patterns have no independent, inherent
> existence.  Further, these patterns represent "what works" depending upon on
> an individual's static pattern of life history.
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Dec 20, 2011, at 4:35 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marsha and All,
>> 
>> If something is indefinable is it non-existent?  The word "inherent" clouds
>> the formation of logic in existence.  It tries to introduce the hierarchy,
>> "evolution", before describing the metaphysics for the logic of evolution.
>> 
>> Evolution seems to be used by Pirsig as a logical order in existence for the
>> conception of reality.  Once evolution is conceptualized as DQ/SQ,
>> indefinable reality is perceived outside the logical definition of
>> mathematics since DQ is indefinable.  0 is defined as being non divisible.
>> 
>> I accept that Metaphysics not Physics embraces the evolutionary hierarchy
>> that can be discussed as levels in existence.  Metaphysics achieves this
>> prior to the conception that mathematical logic defines all. Hence the word
>> metaphysics!  DQ/SQ is the logic for existential reality like an evolution
>> in existence, accessible to all, MOQ.
>> 
>> Joe 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/19/11 11:47 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> That is Ultimate Reality, Dynamic Quality, is empty of inherent existence.
>> 
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