[MD] emptiness

[MarshaV]

Hi,

And why, Mark, I am so fond, at the end of the day, of remembering 'Not this, not that.'


Marsha




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On Dec 24, 2011, at 11:48 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> What we know is what we create.  If I do not know then I can not create.  The metaphysical split of Quality is fine with me as a presentation, it is a personal relationship with what one sees as other.  I am simply questioning whether to see everything as patterns is a sufficient relationship.
> 
> I can not "tell" you the way things "are", if that is what you are asking.  I can only present other doors for understanding.  That is what my posts to you are about.  I have been trying to do so through rhetoric, but you will not be aware of them until you open the doors.  All I can provide are keys, what you do with them is up to you.
> 
> If I provide you with a dogmatic answer as to what really is, it is like telling you how to ride a bike.  It is nothing like actually riding a bike.  You are not "wrong" with your presentation, since it is what you create.  We create things with the tools and keys we pick up along the way.
> 
> Regardless, have a happy Christmas.
> 
> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
> Mark
> 
> On Dec 24, 2011, at 1:32 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
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>> Mark,
>> 
>> By the way, the definition of self that I present includes both static quality and Dynamic Quality.  Are you proposing to convince me of something else besides Quality(Dynamic/static)?  I would like you to explain what that might be.  But, of course, you can confess that you do not know... 
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>> 
>> Marsha
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>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Dec 23, 2011, at 11:30 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> Yes I can dig it.  You are much more than a collection of patterns.  I can't convince you of that, I know.  It will take somebody near and dear to you to do that.  Ever tried a medium?
>>> 
>>> All the best, you deserve it!
>>> 
>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 10:42 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>>> 
>>>> Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> I believe that the “self” is a flow of ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent, static patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual value in the infinite field of Dynamic Quality.  And I really dig that DQ.  You can believe that.  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha 
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>>>> On Dec 23, 2011, at 1:19 AM, 118 wrote:
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>>>>> Marsha, the opposite of a pattern is you.  Believe in yourself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 7:37 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tuukka,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Unfortunately, I do not understand what you are presenting.  I do not have a familiarity with the terms as you are using them.  I understand we all might find different aspects of the MoQ important, and may approach that interest from different points-of-view.  Broadly, I tend to want to consider a pattern from a position of its opposite.  That allows for the widest range of possibilities for individual instances and the most dynamic point-of-view.  But that's just my opinion.  Bottomline, for me, is that Reality = Experience(patterned experience/unpatterned experience).   I think to categorize patterns into the four-level, evolutionary, hierarchical structure:  inorganic, biological, social and intellectual is brilliant, rational, modern, and suggests a way to bridge Western science with Eastern wisdom.  But this is only my own perspective.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But that's enough of me repeating my point-of-view once again, to the point of ad nauseam some would say.  Hopefully as you continue to present your point-of-view it wll become bstter understood.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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