[MD] Quality and the Higgs Field: An Analogy

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Hi Adrie,

Try as I may to express my view on morality or quality for that
matter, it appears to be misinterpreted.

You are stating that the universe is amoral by human standards.  The
example appears to be that it allowed the dinosaurs to die off, and
such a thing can be considered to be either immoral or amoral; again,
by human standards.

Where did our standards of morality come from, if not from what we are
made up off, or what surrounds us?  How is it that only humans have
morality and nothing else?  One could state that the exinction of the
dinosaurs was highly moral from a planet's perspective.

Just because it does not seem to encompass morals from our standards,
does not mean it doesn't exist.  It has to exist for us to encompass
it.  We do not just make these things up our to nothing.  We are
guided by them.  If you believe in Darwinism, would you say that such
a thing is amoral?  If so, how would you explain that we use morality
to preserve the species.  If preserving the species is Darwinistic,
then morality is also Darwinistic.  It is impossible to separate the
two.  So called natural forces are moral, and we accept them and do
our best to abide by them with our interpretation of such universal
morality.

An amoral universe would imply that we are somehow separated from the
universe.  I do not see how such a thing is even conceivable.  Perhaps
we are Gods in our own right and create everything.  Perhaps...

I could go on, but I will leave it at that.

Mark

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:44 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> re towards Ham.
>>  " (I happen to believe that the universe is amoral.)"
>
> I think Ham is correct, in this phrase.
>
> If Ham is saying that the universe is indifferent towards morality, i agree
> with him.
> Take morality out of the universe's window, and the universe will shine as
> ever.
> When de dino's dissapeared the universe did only change the fact that the
> dino's dissapeared.
> Nothing else.
>
> 2011/2/2 John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
>
>> Ham:
>>
>>
>> >   (I happen to believe that the universe is amoral.)
>> >
>> >
>> This makes no sense at all to me, Ham,  how could it possibly be?  How can
>> morality even be defined, except through that which promotes life?  And the
>> universe obviously produces life, so it must be intrinsically moral.
>>  Unless
>> you can explain this to me, I view all the rest of your wordification as
>> mere babbling nonsense.
>>
>> A "glass darkly" indeed.
>>
>> Very darkly, imo.
>>
>> John
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