[MD] Quality and the Higgs Field: An Analogy

[Ham Priday]

Mark and John (points to ponder) --

I realize you are both persuaded that Quality is an independent moral agency 
that rules the universe and our perception of it, obviating the need for a 
creator as well as a free agent.  Morality and Conscious are "Natural", Mark 
insists, the consequence of "Quality in action", while John has concluded 
that "the universe obviously produces life, so it must be intrinsically 
moral."  Need I point out that a rainstorm produces water needed for man's 
survival, so by John's standard, it must be moral, too!

Since MoQ's author refuses to define Quality, other than to equate it with 
Value, I offer my own definition: Value is man's affinity for that which is 
greater than himself.  Desire and attraction represent the affirmative 
aspect of the Self/Other dichotomy that resists negation.

Affinity is an "attractive force" that causes substances or entitites to be 
drawn to each other.  Now, an attractive force doesn't "create" anything; it 
only fosters the kind of co-dependency that Mark has described in reference 
to the division of self and other.  The power to attract is not intrinsic to 
the entitites affected; so a magnetic field, for example, requires a source 
of power, whether it's the alignment of electrons that polarizes an iron rod 
or an external generator.

What do you propose as the source of Quality?  Is Quality [Value] 
self-created, uncreated, or a figment of man's imagination?

You see, I'm looking for a primary source here, and I don't find it in your 
atheistic  ontology.  Neither of you wants to talk about God, because 
"Wow...that's 'personal'!" But by making the claim that "everything is 
natural", you seem to be denying the need
for a metaphysical source.  How does that differ from the objectivist's 
("logical positivist"'s) worldview that Pirsig disparages?

Ex nihilo nihil fit,
Ham

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Hi Ham,

I don't know how to put this any more clearly than John did.

Nature is Quality in action.
Consciousness is Natural
Morality is Natural
Man-conceived is Natural
All derives from Quality
No separation is necessary
It is all here, all now
No secret unknown to create
No other side necessary
Creation not Negation

Cheers as always,
Mark