[MD] Quality and the Higgs Field: An Analogy

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

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Reductio ad absurdum, in answer to John.

(You did read
ZAMM, I presume, and are aware of Pirsig's eloquent reductio ad absurdum
which proves this point beyond question?)"

Adrie
a conclusive pitch from the author,with an embedded end-prase named as
a "reductio ad absurdum", concluding on the conclusion,will only flag the
value of the statement, not to a relative value, but to a conditional truth.
Change the conditions of the observables/variables, change the observer
himself,and the reductio drops the additional absurdum-phrase.

Only proving that conditional truths are relative, but relative truths not
always so.

(Only as an aside)
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2011/2/3 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com>

> Hi Adrie,
>
> Try as I may to express my view on morality or quality for that
> matter, it appears to be misinterpreted.
>
> You are stating that the universe is amoral by human standards.  The
> example appears to be that it allowed the dinosaurs to die off, and
> such a thing can be considered to be either immoral or amoral; again,
> by human standards.
>
> Where did our standards of morality come from, if not from what we are
> made up off, or what surrounds us?  How is it that only humans have
> morality and nothing else?  One could state that the exinction of the
> dinosaurs was highly moral from a planet's perspective.
>
> Just because it does not seem to encompass morals from our standards,
> does not mean it doesn't exist.  It has to exist for us to encompass
> it.  We do not just make these things up our to nothing.  We are
> guided by them.  If you believe in Darwinism, would you say that such
> a thing is amoral?  If so, how would you explain that we use morality
> to preserve the species.  If preserving the species is Darwinistic,
> then morality is also Darwinistic.  It is impossible to separate the
> two.  So called natural forces are moral, and we accept them and do
> our best to abide by them with our interpretation of such universal
> morality.
>
> An amoral universe would imply that we are somehow separated from the
> universe.  I do not see how such a thing is even conceivable.  Perhaps
> we are Gods in our own right and create everything.  Perhaps...
>
> I could go on, but I will leave it at that.
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:44 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > re towards Ham.
> >>  " (I happen to believe that the universe is amoral.)"
> >
> > I think Ham is correct, in this phrase.
> >
> > If Ham is saying that the universe is indifferent towards morality, i
> agree
> > with him.
> > Take morality out of the universe's window, and the universe will shine
> as
> > ever.
> > When de dino's dissapeared the universe did only change the fact that the
> > dino's dissapeared.
> > Nothing else.
> >
> > 2011/2/2 John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
> >
> >> Ham:
> >>
> >>
> >> >   (I happen to believe that the universe is amoral.)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> This makes no sense at all to me, Ham,  how could it possibly be?  How
> can
> >> morality even be defined, except through that which promotes life?  And
> the
> >> universe obviously produces life, so it must be intrinsically moral.
> >>  Unless
> >> you can explain this to me, I view all the rest of your wordification as
> >> mere babbling nonsense.
> >>
> >> A "glass darkly" indeed.
> >>
> >> Very darkly, imo.
> >>
> >> John
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