[MD] Intellectual Level

[Mary]

Hi Platt!


> [Platt]
> Well Ian, if you find a way intellect can avoid paradox or infinite
> regress...

I wonder how long it's going to take someone to notice that the paradoxes should be a red flag.  The fact that there are unsolvable paradoxes should be telling us that the explanation upon which they rest is invalid.  Is that so hard to see?

Pirsig, in his dark journey through insanity, 'witnessed' something that he was able to bring back only in part.  My sense is that when he 'returned' he brought with him a strong belief of having seen something that blows away all the paradoxes.  One problem he had was his utter inability to convey what he learned within the SOM framework.  Isn't this the same problem we have now?  

You can see him struggle and finally relent when he decides to create the metaphysics anyway.  But he is not really satisfied, seeing it as a poor substitute for what he really experienced.  There's an air of frustration or maybe inadequacy to the way he feels about the whole thing.  I think he is secretly embarrassed since he knows that if he were to just come out and say what he 'witnessed' the SOM world would think he was a religious lunatic or an aggrandizing egomaniac - "Who am I to pretend to know the darkest secrets of the Universe?", he must say to himself.

So, he prevaricates.

Greetings and Happy New Year to all,
Mary

- The most important thing you will ever make is a realization.


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> 
> [Platt]
> Well Ian, if you find a way intellect can avoid paradox or infinite
> regress...
> 
> [Arlo]
> Symbolic representations of "reality" are inherently self-referential.
> This is
> not something that can be overcome, it is just the way it is. The eye
> cannot
> see itself, but positing an endless chain of eyes-seeing-eyes is just a
> fool's
> view.
> 
> Phædrus says, "All this is just an analogy." ... Of course it's an
> analogy.
> Everything is an analogy. But the dialecticians don't know that. That's
> why the
> Chairman missed that statement of Socrates. Phædrus has caught it and
> remembered it, because if Socrates hadn't stated it he wouldn't have
> been
> telling the "Truth." (ZMM)
> 
> Einstein, Goebels, Magritte, Escher, Pirsig, Hofstadter, Campbell, the
> Zen
> masters... they all saw this. Its a shame you do not.
> 
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