[MD] Intellectual Level

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On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 11:24 AM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:
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> [Arlo]
> The fundamental paradox, as described by Goedel, is simply that any symbolic
> system powerful enough to provide meaning contains is self-referential. The
> MOQ, for example, is part of the reality it describes. It is the fallacy of
> objectivism to think we can stand "outside" the system and make proclamations
> about what it contains.

[Mark]
This is only a paradox if you are looking for Truth.  Within the
system of Quality, there is no paradox with the self-referential.
With words describing words, it can be nothing but self-referential.
Again, there is no problem with this in MoQ.  It is a system of
Quality not truth.
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> [Craig]
> Existence cannot exhibit contradictions.  Existence can only exhibit truths &
> truths cannot be contradictory.

[Mark]
I am not sure if a single truth for a specific circumstance is
necessary.  Sophists would argue otherwise.  Certainly truths can
contradict, it all depends on who has the best rhetoric.

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> [Arlo]
> I'm not entirely sure of the jump here from "paradox" to "contradiction", but
> my point was that "paradox" is an inherent feature of symbolically-represented
> experience, it derives from the encoding. As such, "paradox" is a part of
> experience.
>
[Mark]
A simple paradox can be seen in many M. C. Escher prints.  For example
Ascending, Decending.  The concept of this drawing came from the
physicist Roger Penrose, when he was young.  Similarly the concept of
time-travel and going back to kill your grandfather creates a paradox.
 This does not mean that these drawings or ideas do not exist, it just
means that our intellectual reality cannot encompass them.  Paradox is
created, and does not exist outside the mind, and I agree, it can be
considered to be a part of experience.
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