[MD] Changes in 2011

[rapsncows at fastmail.fm]

John,

thanks for the clarification about your personal life issues.  I am
kindof out of touch with ... well, with the normal for sure, but even
the abnormal here.  I think I read things wrong for the opposite reasons
of everyone else.  Though I didn't read too closely, I thought you were
pretty comfortable with the way things were progressing for you - though
this is not to say that it was easy.  The only thing I was confident on
was my understanding that you were not ashamed.

> [John] So, back to the over-riding question:  What progress?  We are born, we
> live,
> we die.  So I ask again with you, what progress?  Horse envisions
> progress
> as the debate of politics and the MoQ.  I think he's right on.  That's
> really where the progress lies - influencing people toward the good in a
> mass way.  I vote we go that way, [SNIP]

[Tim]
well, I am skeptical of 'progress' from the get go.  I do have a hope
for some future in which men treat each other well, behave morally.  IF
this is 'progress' I am all for it, but I'm not sure that this is the
gist of 'progress' as commonly used.  The idea of morality is as old as
man, and I think the potential for morality doesn't really hinge on
material standards.  That being said, the fact that the world is now
full might just be the impetus that was needed to cause man to decide
that morality is worth trying.  OR it could go way wrong.  Or it could
go okay (in a way that doesn't appeal much to me, but if most people are
down for it, I'll serve my time and leave them in peace).  Anyway, I
view this more as a phase change than progress, but if we want to call
it progress I wont object.

so, I too think Horse is on point with his desire to discuss politics. 
Particularly so if by 'politics' we mean the wide field covering any
coercive treatment of one person by another.  That is, I've said to you
before that if I try to imagine a 'heaven' it would be anarchy: people
behaving morally on their own, recognizing that this is also the most
selfish thing they could desire.

take care,
Tim
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