[MD] Changes in 2011

[rapsncows at fastmail.fm]

you mother fucker, John.  You are such an idiot.  a damned fool.  etc.
and etc.  (Horse wants to know that we are back to our caustic selves
before this discussion gets started. ...  ehhh, I can't keep it up
though.  Sorry, I didn't mean it!  I can call you a jackass though. 
This is my common word for humans in their frailty.  I'm a jackass. 
You're a jackass.  We're all jackasses.  Period.  (I'm biting this last
bit of off Dan I think.  Anyway, I just read someone who said we are all
degenerates.  Period.)  Jackasses and degenerates, yet we still hope for
progress.  At least Quality is not without humor.  I am gonna hold off
on a serious reply though.

Well, one quick point.  Back when we talked about politics in passing, I
went to bed one night concerned about my accusation.  I came up with a
definition of politics that satisfied my concern.  Politics is the game
of setting the 'rules' for the game of coercion of other people. 
Anyway, without coercion there is no politics.  Of course, if other
people have other definitions I am open to a discussion in that arena
too.

Tim

On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:04:02 -0800, "John Carl" <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
said:
> Tim,
> 
> By all means, yes.  I think if the MoQ is ever going to progress or
> evolve
> or be any use at all in the endeavors of men, we should, ought and must
> think about politics.  But not just any old politics.  A new way of
> thinking
> about politics.  A new way of re-visioning  the republic.  A new way of
> defining and encapsulating the methods by which we come to agreement. 
> The
> politics of Value.  I would not pursue "coercion", but I'd definitely
> pursue
> "persuasion".  So... Politics and marketing.  These are the vital issues
> if
> there are any vital issues.  Politics and marketing, not in the interest
> of
> self-aggrandizement or self-perpetuation, but politics and marketing in
> the
> interest of the Good.
> 
> That is my dream also.
> 
> Let's talk about it more in the time we have.
> 
> John
> 
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