[MD] Changes in 2011

Sat Jan 8 12:00:17 PST 2011

Hi Andre.
Allow me to quote you(conversation Ian)

"Bodvar made a similar assertion in this respect by suggesting that Pirsig's
MOQ IS experience which led his his non-acceptance of Pirsig's assertion
that the MOQ is a static intellectual pattern of value." (out of context)

Andre/tim (out of context)

Tim:
Ha Ha Ha!  I would like to see an RMP reference to back this!The reason for
all existence - the universe, human life, etc. - is to come to communal
intellectual agreement of RMP's MoQ.  I guess once that happens life will
just be annulled!

Andre:
I honestly did not expect ridicule to come from you Tim. I am not talking
about the universe nor am I talking about the 'reason for all existence'. I
am talking about what we, as a community of interested persons, are here for
on this MD.

Andre previously: My take on this is that we are here to discuss Robert
Pirsig's MOQ and
no-one else's!

Tim
RMP himself has admitted that 'you never get it right', so I fail to see
how that AIM would be a reasonable one.

Tim:
intellectual reasonableness... discussion... nothing.  Quality.  then
maybe we can recover some intellectual reasonableness, and discussion.
Just like RMP found that to get past the SOM he had to jump outside the
box, if you want to find Quality I suggest you jump outside the box of
your intellectual discussions.

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Adrie.

André;,to keep you informed about the possibilities of multiple identities
multiple aliases, the possibility of stealthed avatars with a possibility
to switch from keyboard to keyboard without showing their identity, i
strongly advise you to read the link i will put here.

Pay "attention" to the aliasessection.

http://www.fastmail.fm/help/features_aliases.html

The servers are at Norway, and Sweden, ns1 and ns2
They are very strong proxy's,superb settings, ideal to twist our nipples
from behind an avatar with progamming skills.

Next week my son leaves for Helsinki, for 4 months to study there,so
maybe it will be interesting for me to place myself on the
fastmailservers,with an
account of my own,stealthed,low profile.
Only to keep in touch with my son , of course!

Once i'm at the server,i'm behind the proxy's...on the mailhandler.

This is to keep you informed, Andre.

Adrie

2011/1/7 Andre Broersen <andrebroersen at gmail.com>

> Ian to Andre:
>
> Yes, and everything else (YouTube included, even FaceBook) is the
> physio/bio/socio/intellectual cultural context for understanding and
> living it.
>
> Andre:
> Agree Ian, and then I will also expect that anyone who makes a reference to
> these, or, for that matter reels off long/short quotes about something they
> have read, makes a specific statement of how it relates to the MOQ which is
> discussed here.
>
> I find it interesting that you add the 'living it' at the end of your
> sentence. Assuming for a minute that what you mean by this is 'experiencing
> it' it has the tendency to blur some distinctions which are crucial to keep
> in mind when discussing Pirsig's MOQ. Marsha is an easy example to use in
> this context as she is superimposing this 'living it' onto the MOQ and
> thereby blurring, for example the distinction between DQ and sq. For Marsha
> these are the same (correct me if I am wrong Marsha). Bodvar made a similar
> assertion in this respect by suggesting that Pirsig's MOQ IS experience
> which led his his non-acceptance of Pirsig's assertion that the MOQ is a
> static intellectual pattern of value.
>
> It makes discussion of the MOQ (as a static intellectual pattern of value)
> almost impossible as for ex. Marsha's responses (dismissals,evasions) make
> clear.
>
> I may be off track here and am interested in your observations to the
> contrary(if you hold any).
>
> Ian:
> People need to stop casting aspersions about the "some", the
> "brigade", the "old guard", the "fits", the "misfits", and if they
> have a specific issue, name specific names and statements. Show some
> trust and respect in other words.
>
> Andre:
> Not sure if you are implying that I show distrust or disrespect Ian. If so,
> I apologize (and note the start of your sentence with 'people'.) I did not
> specify anyone in particular because dmb mentioned some specific persons in
> a previous post and I wanted to avoid repetition. I also made clear (I hope)
> that I do not enjoy the use of these labels. In this sense I am sad to note
> that, over the past few months, a notion of 'us' and 'them' has crept in
> which doesn't add any sense of trust or respect.
>
>
>
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