[MD] Dicks and limits

[rapsncows at fastmail.fm]

John,


Take a look at Andre's most recent post!




more below:

> 
> > [Tim] I have been lying in bed trying to sleep, and I've thought of two things
> > that I want to get off my chest.
> >
> >

> [John] I lay away and think about MD too.

[Tim] I wasn't thinking about MD!  I was thinking about people.  You and
David in particular.  But all of us who have set our hopes on 'fair
justice', as Jan-Anders has coined it for us.

I'm fine letting the process handle the process.  It seems trustworthy. 
And if we can take a big leap forward towards 'fair justice', then it
will probably have deservedly earned my gratitude too.  How far do you
want to delve into the unknown?  I hope you will come out for a while. 
What is the line: "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."  Play,
and jackassery, and degeneracy seem quite tolerable if we are capable of
fessing up, apologizing, and forgiving - and moving on.

I suggest you turn around.  At least for a while.  Give it a break. 
That's what I hope to do.  I was quite happy walking away from my broken
down motorcycle.  What motorcycle runs forever?  Let's get a new one. 
What do you say?  Do you wanna pursue 'fair justice' with me?  It seems
like this one is ready to go somewhere.

John, I trust your sincerity.  I can tolerate flub ups.  I can tolerate
dick comments.  I can tolerate lots of really terrible things too. 
John, you are a plebian, right?  You know how much shit plebians can
take.  They are 'strong like bull'.  Don't you think they are ready to
forgive everything for a chance at 'fair justice'?

> 
> "Boring" is definitely NOT an issue here.
> 

Well, over here I can tell you I am fed up with oppression.


> 
> Well as to my reputation... one nice thing about life on the "low road"
> is
> that I don't have to worry too much about such things.

forget those roads.  in the social roads your reputation will matter
some.  And you've got a really strong one anyway!

> 
> I had qualms and regrets, even while typing my superlative "never".  But
> yet, I did it anyway.

this honesty will only add to your reputation I hope.

>  The caveat "unwillingly" does leave the door open
> to
> future engagement if dmb ever wanted any.  I'm pretty doubtful of that
> though.  You'd have to review a lot of our history if you were to
> understand
> fully the whole story, but dmb has argued for my exclusion from this
> forum
> for a long time and has expressed nothing but contempt for my viewpoint.

John, I don't think David harbors much contempt for your viewpoint.  If
you
were willing to ask him, I like to think it would be settled ... like a
snap of the fingers ;)

anyway, the point is that we are not talking about metaphysics at the
moment.  we are talking about politics.  The discussion that Horse has
been looking forward to having.  Now, I didn't have to look very far
before I found solid agreeable stuff from David: Nov 4:

"Finally there's a fourth Dynamic morality which isn't a code... 
Morality is not a simple set of rules. It's a very complex struggle of
conflicting patterns of value. This conflict is the residue of
evolution." (Lila 163). 

The Metaphysics of Quality "says that what is meant by "human rights" is
usually the moral code of intellect-vs.-society, the moral right of
intellect to be free of social control. Freedom of speech; freedom of
assembly, of travel; trial by jury; habeas corpus; government by
consent—these "human rights" are all intellect-vs.-society issues.
According to the Metaphysics of Quality these "human rights" have not
just a sentimental basis, but a rational, metaphysical basis. They are
essential to the evolution of a higher level of life from a lower level
of life. They are for real." (Lila 307)

John, we all battled it out over extremes in the intellectual level (am
I right here Andre?), but in the social level I think we will have an
easier time finding common ground.  If we aren't talking about the
foundations and unknowns, I think we can get along.  I hope.


> I
> honestly think it'd be easier to get a facelift and turn into a handsome
> man, than change who I fundamentally am.  If there are misunderstandings,
> those can be rectified.  But how can I rectify "nausea"?  That's a
> visceral
> reaction that can't be argued away.

pop out of yourself?  Lets worry about our less fortunate neighbors for
a bit, see if we can help them out so that they will be more free to
play too.


> Here is where I think you're wrong.  I don't get dmb being "down" at all.
> Maybe you know something I don't.  But I've had no indication of this.
> Second, I can't see my "kicking" to be any sort of consequence to dmb. 
> His
> opinion of me is so low that my kicks mean absolutely nothing to him. 
> Who
> cares what a poor white trash plebian thinks?  As Adrie has so kindly
> pointed out, I will never amount to anything and dmb has all kinds of
> academic success and applause so there's no reason to conclude that my
> cessation of interaction with him means anything at all to him.

pfpfpfpfpfpfp....  maybe you are right though, about David being back up
already.  I hope so.


> 
> 
> Thanks for caring, Tim.  You're a good man and a most welcome addition to
> this conversation.
> 
> John


And thank you, John!  And Likewise.

But come on now, let's quit with the 'metaphysics' for a while.

Tim
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