[MD] Intellectual Level

[Mary]

Hi Craig,

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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:03 AM
[Mary before]
>  the highest attainment of that metaphysics is a set
of PoVs which value symbol manipulation and science  > and technology over
social values

[Craig]
IMHO the MoQ levels do not show relative value, but the evolutionary chain
of value.
For instance, biological PoVs evolved from the interaction of inorganic
PoVs, but this does not mean we should value the HIV virus over oxygen.  

[Mary]
What I may choose to 'value' intellectually or emotionally is not required
to be the same thing as what has the highest value in MoQ-ese   Nothing says
my set of SPOVs sees value in the same things as the overall arrow of DQ,
but HIV and people are both biological, so both would honor the value of
Oxygen I would think.

[Mary before]
> where do you put the patterns of value that say the
symbol manipulation and science/tech are not the most  > valuable?

[Craig]
The same place you put fallacies, falsehoods, contradictions & paradoxes:
the 4th level.
Just because something belongs on the intellectual level does not mean it's
high quality.
There are both high- & low- quality intellectual PoVs.

[Mary]
HIV and people both exist as biological SPOVs, but HIV sucks.  Thing is, HIV
and people both fundamentally value the exact same set of SPOVs that make
them biological in the first place.  Take the same argument to the
Intellectual Level.  What can we say about the fundamental SPOVs that make
that level "take off on purposes of its own" from any other?  What can we
say that is universally valued by everything residing at that level?  Is it
symbol manipulation?  I'm just saying there are problems with that.

Best,
Mary