[MD] The Dynamics of Value

[John Carl]

Ham and Craig,

Here's a place for the concept of "codependent arising" if I ever saw one.
Is it at all possible to imagine a creator without any creation?   I'd say
not.  Therefore it seems to me, that those who are most vociferous about the
existence of God, are actually arguing for the existence of themselves.

John

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Ham Priday <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> On Friday, 1/14/11 at 9:34 PM, Craig craigerb at comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>  [Ham]
>>
>>> Agnosticism concerning the primary source amounts to
>>> nihilism, since if you don't believe in a creator,
>>> how can you believe in the illusion it creates?
>>>
>>
>> IMHO the concept of a creator doesn't have much
>> explanatory power, since a creator cannot create itself.
>>
>
> Your assertion is based on the cause-and-effect precept of finitude in
> space/time which, in metaphysical ontogency, leads to the paradox of
> infinite regression.  The Absolute Source does not "create itself".  Essence
> is uncreated, unconditional, and immutable.
>
> Essentially speaking,
> Ham
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