[MD] Quality and the Higgs Field: An Analogy

Sat Jan 29 13:44:07 PST 2011

Hi Mark.

strange,i'v kept on reading your production here for some time.
projected patterns of differentiation, fields of value derived from events
lying between objects/subjects....strange, on the first sight probably it
will have the look and feel of insignificance or unimportance, but it is
not, on the contrary
you seem to move in a field of science that lies between the
uncertainty principle...and the certainty principle.Probably i do not have
to guide
anyone to the Uncertainty principle(Heisenberg), but the certaintyprinciple
is lesser known, i will import a link here to a good pdf, (scanned, safe)
concerning the certainty principle.

http://daarb.narod.ru/tcp/tcpr-eng.pdf

what especially took my attention in your production, is that you seem to
understand that there is no further reason in pragmatism to maintain the
subject/object conversation indefinite,...and exactly so in quantum
physiks,subject/object differentiation means nothing and serves no purpose.
A particle that is only observable by the traces it leaves behind, or the
effects
fails on the definition of object or subject, and as an example i can make
the question,...is elektricity an object or a subject, Both at the same
time, or non of these?.
only if answered conclusive totally, it will move to object or subject
definitions.

Quote , Mark.
So, my friends, look between (not subjects,
not objects) and there is your answer.end.
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Good, Good, Good,!...look between!....look between, pop-up the hood and
observe differentiation,differentiation,..endless differentiation,
"DYNAMICS"
even and every observation is a differentiated pattern.ALL value's are to be
framed and recognised between a beginning and an end, dynamic quality needs
to be an event, all events have a beginning and an end,we need to observe
and recognise the value's inbetween.

Can you pay attention to the use of the term VALUE,dynamical state's and
timeshift, ..?

Maybe my question seems strange but i what you wrote i can see the
congruence SQ/ DQ, certainty/uncertainty, value's inbetween all off this and
moreover i'm able to see the congruence with your work on soft or sweet
spots
long time ago, i kept on analysing this work,and found good insights in it.
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Quote Mark.
 So it, theoretically (or is it
metaphysically?), provides the differentiation between all the quarks
and all the leptons.  From these differences comes all the other
things which we experience as matter.  Thus, it could be said that
lead and gold are ultimately differentiated by the Higgs Field.end.
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Some remarks however.

theoretically,...<=> try to import hypothetically in your mind.

Gold<=> lead,.....table of mendeleyev, yes , lead is gold that is decayed,..
lead comes in 2 atomnbrs, ..All elements come from other elements as
products of decay.See table of mendeleejev.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table

Same goes for energy and matter, according to Einstein, energy is matter and
matter is energy, (E = MC 2).
It is not a good idea to mess with this.

I have some other remarks , but they can wait.

About the uncertainty principle and the fact that i'm aware of your favor
for analogy's, i will give you an analogy that represents the principle.

Frame the crest of a wave in your mind , halt it in time, make a still of
it.
Frame the opposite image of the crest in your mind, the lower part, the dip
in the flaw of the surface, the hollowing out of the surface before the
crest comes,..
halt it , make a still out of it in your mind,...and now merge them in a
tought.

Understand that in this frame, the crest and the declination cannot find
themselves to be present at the same moment in time at the same place.

The declination will always precede the crest, and the crest will always
follow the declination.
They cannot occur at the same moment in time at the same place.......

This representation as an analogy is not only an analogy but a real
manifestation
of the uncertainty-principle, the only difference is the 2 dview as the real
principle is to be seen as oscillating in all directions at the same time.

so , concluding, sweet spot are very strong spots.

have to go now.
see you later .

2011/1/27 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com>

> Hi All,
>
> Some of us like to tie ideas from physics into MoQ.  I know that
> Pirsig does.  This post brings in the analogy of the Higgs Field.
>
> The Higgs Field was conceived of in the 1960's by none other than
> Higgs.  The basic premise of such a field is that it creates and
> differentiates between particles.  It can be seen as kind of a drag on
> enery, slowing it down.  So it, theoretically (or is it
> metaphysically?), provides the differentiation between all the quarks
> and all the leptons.  From these differences comes all the other
> things which we experience as matter.  Thus, it could be said that
> lead and gold are ultimately differentiated by the Higgs Field.
> Without such a field, all matter would be the same as energy.  It is
> theorized that at very high temperatures, the Higgs Field disappears,
> that is, that there is no difference, and no mass either.  In fact,
> this is often used to describe the beginning of the universe, if such
> a thing is imagined.  Now, how does the Higgs Field differentiate
> matter?  Well that is supposed to be through the Higgs Particle, or
> the Higgs Boson as it is called.  Because of its importance to
> everything we see, such a particle is also called the God Particle.
> Tthat is the metaphysics of physics, supported by math of course, and
> colliders have been built to look for it, if the theory is still
> favorable.
>
> So imagine, if you will, something called Quality.  It is through
> Quality that things exist separately.  This Quality is what provides
> all the qualitative differences between things.  By way of analogy,
> Quality would be a field which creates the value between things.  If
> all things were the same, there would be no Quality.  Quality is what
> separates and differentiates.  The manner in which Quality interacts
> with Sameness is what provides us with values and morals.  It is what
> provides us with choices.  Therefore, one should not look at things as
> having Quality.  Rather it is what separates those things that has the
> Quality.  As a field, it is utterly dynamic, and leaves a static world
> in its wake.  Such Quality has more existence than what it creates,
> since it is the foundation of all.  The static world is a byproduct of
> the movement of Quality.  So, my friends, look between (not subjects,
> not objects) and there is your answer.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
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