[MD] Through a glass darkly

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

re.
Quote , Dmb on Phaedrus
"dmb says:
It might interest you to know that the line "through a glass darkly" was
delivered by Socrates in Plato's "Phaedrus".
In ZAMM there is an analogy wherein reality as we know it conceptually is
just a handful of sand taken from the surrounding landscape of awareness. As
he explain it, there is no way we could ever notice more than a small part
of that landscape.end.
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Comment , Adrie.
Altough much remains obscure, and will long remain obscure.......
is (imho) a perfect analogy match for the" glass darkly.", in Phaedrus.

see this.
Darwin, in the introductionpart of the origin of species.(domestic and
natural variation)

*"Although much remains obscure, and will long remain obscure, I can
entertain no doubt, after the most deliberate study and dispassionate
judgement of which I am capable, that the view which most naturalists
entertain, and which I formerly entertained -- namely, that each species has
been independently created -- is erroneous. I am fully convinced that
species are not immutable; but that those belonging to what are called the
same genera are lineal descendants of some other and generally extinct
species, in the same manner as the acknowledged varieties of any one species
are the descendants of that species. Furthermore, I am convinced that
Natural Selection has been the main but not exclusive means of modification.
"*

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comment , Adrie.

in regard of the concluding endsentence, "Main but not exlusive means....."

and DMB quoting Pirsig,"In ZAMM there is an analogy wherein reality as we
know it conceptually is just a handful of sand taken from the surrounding
landscape of awareness. As he explains it, there is no way we could ever
notice more than a small part of that landscape"....

furthermore, DMB quoting on James,..
" I think this is parallel to James's analogy wherein buckets full of water
are taken from the ongoing stream of experience. In both cases the idea is
that our conceptualizations exist in relation to a much larger field of
consciousness and we notice the part that we do because of our culture and
personal history."

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I think it is more than correct  David ,to see the parrallel's in the work
of these
visionairs.
Darwin is one of my favo's.
greetzz, Adrie




2011/1/31 david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>

>
> Mary said:
> ...I think Pirsig says mainly that there is a great deal more to reality
> than we can define or differentiate.  Another way to put that might be to
> say that we create our reality from our experiences.  We see through the
> glass darkly and are unable to experience the entirety of all possible
> realities.  DMB says we dip our ladle into the stream of Quality and what we
> come back with we call reality.
>
> dmb says:
> It might interest you to know that the line "through a glass darkly" was
> delivered by Socrates in Plato's "Phaedrus".
> In ZAMM there is an analogy wherein reality as we know it conceptually is
> just a handful of sand taken from the surrounding landscape of awareness. As
> he explain it, there is no way we could ever notice more than a small part
> of that landscape. I think this is parallel to James's analogy wherein
> buckets full of water are taken from the ongoing stream of experience. In
> both cases the idea is that our conceptualizations exist in relation to a
> much larger field of consciousness and we notice the part that we do because
> of our culture and personal history.
>
>
>
>
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