[MD] Quality as Will

[John Carl]

I agree, Mark.  Quality as Will makes sense to me.  As does, Will as "the
ability to choose" or "freedom".  Which I also equate with Quality.  Thus
"Free Will" is a sort of redundancy, as I think Steve's arguments point out.
 However, a rhetorical redundancy does not  obviate the metaphysical
fundamentalness of freedom to will and being.

It's all just words, words words.  some are good words, which lead to a good
life, and some just don't go anywhere at all.  Robert Pirsig's words are a
good example of the former, and Sam Harris's are a good example of the
latter.

Take care,

John the sporadic and yet interested



On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:21 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is clear that there are many ways to define Quality, but no way to
> describe it.  That is, that there is no way to wrap Quality up with
> words.  The problem with good wrapping, is that it hides what is being
> wrapped.  And, once wrapped, it is difficult to unwrap without
> extensive personal training by the wrapper.  The same can be said for
> encoding secret messages.
>
> As a definition amongst many, one can equate Quality with Will.  Both
> are active nouns, and both imply direction.  The quality of things
> denotes their appearance.  This a world of appearances which means it
> is a world of Quality.  Will is also expression.  Both do not require
> for there to be something that is expressed, they arise without cause.
>
> For clarification, I will present what I mean by Will.  Human will is
> a primary feature of our being.  It is what delivers our
> consciousness.  It provides drive, resolve, and intent.  It creates
> direction for each of us, and gives us the propensity to change
> direction.  It lies outside of determinism, and is often termed
> "Free".  It gives us the capacity to live outside the boundaries of
> determined direction.  Besides humans, all things have Will.  A river
> may express it as a rushing through a valley.  A metal may display a
> resolve to remain together and not scatter freely.  Predators display
> a will to catch, and preys are equally willful in escaping.  The sun
> attempts to pull the planets into itself, and the planets are just as
> willful in remaining free, thus resulting in an long game until one
> wins.  So, that is how I am using will.  It is not obstinance,
> wishful-thinking, or a promise made.
>
> The Will to Survive, or the Will to Die are two ends of the same
> thing, that is Will.  Therefore, Will and Quality are two words for
> the same thing.  Anything with Will is also with Quality.  Anything
> with Quality, denotes Will.
>
> In Chapter 28, Phaedrus is reading about Greek excellence and is
> fascinated by "duty to self", this can also be construed as Will.  He
> goes on to realize that Quality was present before anything.  We are
> born as Will, there is nothing else, just pure Will.  This then begins
> to change from the first minute after birth.  Where was it before
> that?  Or as the Buddhist would say, "What did your face look like
> before you were born?"
>
> And, so, I have come to the end of my exposition.  Any comments?
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
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