[MD] A Confusion of Weasels

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Hi Horse,
I am a little dissapointed in your choice of Heros.  I see the
conversation between Steve and dmb to be a matter of "he said, she
said".  I would trust Platt over most of the members of this forum.
Seriously, if you are going to let politics sway your opinion on
integrity, then you are in the wrong forum, oh, I forgot, this is your
forum, my mistake.  The low Quality which you refer to is the
Socialist policies which have created much pain and sufferring in
Europe, and now the US.  I can say this since I have lived in both
places (four countries in Europe).  The extreme demagogery now present
in the US is unbelievable.  We have the president of the United States
today trying to scare the veterans about their pay unless he gets to
spend more money on his pet projects.  He gave his staff up to an 80%
pay increase, which is crazy in this economy.  We must tighten our
belts, but he is like a shop-a-holic.

Now Steve and Dave certainly go hammer and tongs, although I am not
sure which has which.  My guess is that dmb is wearing the thongs.

Pirsig's work certainly influenced me in the '70's, and I believe it
saved my life, so You Go Bob!

I believe that both dmb and Ant are stuck in the ivory tower and are
dealing with illusions and not the real Quality of everyday living.
But, that is just my opinion of course.

So, Horse, my suggestion to you is to stop worshipping the peons of
this forum and direct your enthusiasm to others who are more
deserving.

Best regards,
Mark

On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
> Hi Folks
>
> I think there is and has been a huge difference between the Platt/Arlo
> exchanges and those between Steve and DMB.
>
> Platt tended to use this forum on many occasions to promote a
> (far)right-wing political agenda and Arlo, quite rightly, called him out on
> a number of issues which have zero support from the MoQ. Personally, I'm
> glad that Arlo had the patience and tenacity to keep it up for as long as he
> did. Thank you Arlo.
> And I disagree about your exchanges having no value except as comments in
> the archives - I think they had and still have tremendous value in showing
> the low Quality of an ideology that has all but brought Western civilisation
> to its knees.
>
> Steve and Dave go hammer and tongs at, for the most part I think,
> philosophical issues. They have different interpretations of Pirsig (and
> others) work and neither of them appear to be particularly aggrieved at the
> treatment they both mete out to each other. Although having said that it
> would be nice every now and again guys if you two took a breather and looked
> at where you agree - because it seems to me that there are a number of areas
> where this occurs. I could be wrong but I think that's true.
>
> Anyway, there have been some excellent discussions of late so keep it up.
>
> And while I'm on I'll take the opportunity to comment on the topic
> originally raised by this thread.
> Pirsig's work is popular but, thankfully, not populist.
> It has influenced a great number of people and continues to do so.
> That it hasn't become a mere fad is, in my opinion, one of it's strengths.
> I believe that it will continue to build and that folks like DMB, Ant etc.
> will be around to fight for it both in and out of academia.
> And the twat that said closing this forum would be the best thing I could do
> for the MoQ can kiss my arse!
>
> Cheers
>
> Horse
>
>
>
>
>
> On 24/07/2011 01:01, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:
>>
>> [Dan]
>> In the past, when Arlo and Platt engaged in endless bickering with
>> name-calling, insults, and just plain ignorance, I didn't even bother
>> reading
>> their posts.
>>
>> [Arlo]
>> For the record, there was more to this than a simple tit-for-tat exchange
>> of
>> "name-calling". Platt used evasion at every turn, outright lied about not
>> only
>> what I was saying but what I had said, and pretended today that what he
>> said
>> yesterday didn't exist. I called Platt out specifically because that type
>> of
>> horrible rhetoric should NOT be left unchallenged in a
>> metaphysical/philosophy
>> group. This is not an AOL chat room where ridiculous statements should be
>> left
>> unchallenged.
>>
>> But you're right, our exchanges had no value except that to me his
>> comments
>> stand, in the archives, challenged and called out. Should I have exercised
>> more
>> patience? Maybe. I am not perfect. But years and years of dealing with
>> talk-radio tactics and bombast had left me with a very short fuse. Should
>> I
>> have just put him on ignore? Maybe. I did for a while, as I do now with
>> quite a
>> few people.
>>
>>
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